Question to Mxmanic

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The big question is "why does the wake turbulence descend?"
Is the air volume inside the vortices denser than surrounding air?
Probably not. So the descent is probably not due to gravitational
force.

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First of all, what this thread really proves is that it is not necessary for
a pilot to understand this well enough to explain it to a lay person, or
even to another pilot.

I think that the bigger question is: Why have so many people, who should
all know better, taken Mxsmanic's statement regarding the central downwash
portion of an aircraft's wake, which he extrapolated as applicable to the
motion of the entire wake, and simply accepted it as possibly disproving
what *all* of us have consistently observed.

I really don't think that Mxsmanic is an intentional troll, in the usual
sense--but, however inadvertently, he surely is damned good at it!

Peter

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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The entire air mass behind the aircraft is descending. The downwash
descends,
and air from above moves down to replace it. While parasitic drag is not
associated with lift and thus has no vertical component of its own, any
turbulence it creates will still drift downward with the downwash,
although
perhaps less quickly than the downwash itself, depending on where the
turbulence leaves the aircraft.


Blazing generalizations,,,,bull****.

You can hit your wake at the same altitude, people do it everyday. The
answer is simple and right in front of you. You are just too stupid to see
it.

I don't fly the Cessna, and I fly only at airports with hard, smooth
runways that won't bounce the aircraft around.


You don't fly at all


bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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rq3 writes:

Still fixated on the idea that the downwash is the only component of
wake, huh, Anthony?

I've never been fixated on such a notion. All of the wake behind an
aircraft descends, including the downwash.

no, it doesn't, moron


Berti e

Peter Dohm writes:

I think that the bigger question is: Why have so many people, who should
all know better, taken Mxsmanic's statement regarding the central downwash
portion of an aircraft's wake, which he extrapolated as applicable to the
motion of the entire wake, and simply accepted it as possibly disproving
what *all* of us have consistently observed.

Maybe some of them read books, as I do.

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Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

I always maintained altitude and rate of turn in steep turns with the
end result being hitting my own slipstream.

As have we all on nice days, and students like to brag about it. Yet
Mx is correct, in theory we should not be able to do this.

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No, Mx is not correct. Mx has restated a *partial* explanation of wakes as
complete, and many here are accepting it--even though their own actual
experience proves otherwise...

"Maxwell" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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The entire air mass behind the aircraft is descending. The downwash
descends,
and air from above moves down to replace it. While parasitic drag is
not
associated with lift and thus has no vertical component of its own, any
turbulence it creates will still drift downward with the downwash,
although
perhaps less quickly than the downwash itself, depending on where the
turbulence leaves the aircraft.


Blazing generalizations,,,,bull****.

You can hit your wake at the same altitude, people do it everyday. The
answer is simple and right in front of you. You are just too stupid to see
it.


Thank God a few are still awake here!

"Mxsmanic" wrote...
Tim writes:

Yes, it will. Try it - if you're good enough you will see it happen. If
not, you have to practice your 360s.

It doesn't happen. I did try it, in perfect weather, at 2500' MSL over
Southwest Oregon Regional Airport, using the autopilot to make a perfect
turn
with a constant altitude. No bump.

Then you did something wrong because it definitely does happen.

BDS

Tim wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote...

Tim writes:


Yes, it will. Try it - if you're good enough you will see it happen. If
not, you have to practice your 360s.

It doesn't happen. I did try it, in perfect weather, at 2500' MSL over
Southwest Oregon Regional Airport, using the autopilot to make a perfect
turn
with a constant altitude. No bump.


Then you did something wrong because it definitely does happen.

BDS


Tim, get with the program, man. Mxsmanic has never flown anything other
than Microsoft Flight Simulator. Seriously.

Rip

On Apr 17, 5:18 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Tim writes:
Yes, it will. Try it - if you're good enough you will see it happen. If
not, you have to practice your 360s.

It doesn't happen. I did try it, in perfect weather, at 2500' MSL over
Southwest Oregon Regional Airport, using the autopilot to make a perfect turn
with a constant altitude. No bump.

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Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Can you set an autopilot to do a 60 degree bank angle turn? Mine
won't do that.