Airline passengers subsidizing private aviation

On Apr 17, 11:37 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

http://us.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/04/16/....ap/index.html

Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")

I wasn't sure if I was reading CNN or the Worker's World Daily. No
that there is that much difference any more.

On 2007-04-17 21:37:31 -0700, Tchiowa said:

On Apr 17, 11:37 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

http://us.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/04/16/....ap/index.html

Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")

I wasn't sure if I was reading CNN or the Worker's World Daily. No
that there is that much difference any more.

Don't you just love revolutionary rhetoric? And yet CNN is using it
more and more. I expect to hear "running dogs of capitalism" any day
now.

I can see it now:

"Once again we see that globe-trotting corporate bandits and their
lackey pilots are stealing bread from the mouths of the oppressed
masses of air travelers. The running dogs of capitalism must be brought
to heel. For an unbiased report, we turn to Comrade Barbara Boxer, who
has joined CNN after retiring from the oppressive establishment
patriarchy. Comrade Boxer, can the entrenched pigs at Congress do
anything to stop this theft, or are they too corrupt to do anything
about even this?"

"I am sad to say that Congress and the Administration are still
controlled by capitalist gangsters, Comrade Anderson Cooper. But of
course, you know this, being a part of the white male oppressive
patriarchy, not to mention a deluded religious fanatic ever since your
conversion to Islam. And what are these so-called 'general aviation'
planes doing? Hauling their fat cat bosses around in unparalleled
luxury as they flit from one smoke-filled room to another, planning
their next nefarious assault on the poor working slaves of the world."

"What about Comrade Gore? Doesn't he also fly a private jet?"

"Of course not. Comrade Gore's jet belongs to the people, as does our
beloved Gore. Therefore they gratefully support his travels in his
never-ending fight against capitalist gangsters by using the pigs' own
tools against them."

"Thank you, Comrade Boxer. Now, for an alternate point of view, we have
Comrade Patty Murray, a Senator from the State of Washington. Tell us
how your views differ from those of Comrade Boxer, Comrade Murray."

"Comrade Boxer is a Trotskyite revisionist pig, but otherwise she is
right on target with this one, Brother."

"And so, despite overwhelming unanimity that the captalist bosses and
their corporate tools should no longer be allowed to use the airways
for free, President Clinton refuses to budge from the promise made by
her corrupt husband when he was President -- that there will be no user
fees for these robber barons or their lackeys."
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

You're really a pro writer...........in disquise! Right?

Good post,
Karl
"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On 2007-04-17 21:37:31 -0700, Tchiowa said:

On Apr 17, 11:37 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

http://us.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/04/16/....ap/index.html

Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")

I wasn't sure if I was reading CNN or the Worker's World Daily. No
that there is that much difference any more.

Don't you just love revolutionary rhetoric? And yet CNN is using it more
and more. I expect to hear "running dogs of capitalism" any day now.

I can see it now:

"Once again we see that globe-trotting corporate bandits and their lackey
pilots are stealing bread from the mouths of the oppressed masses of air
travelers. The running dogs of capitalism must be brought to heel. For an
unbiased report, we turn to Comrade Barbara Boxer, who has joined CNN
after retiring from the oppressive establishment patriarchy. Comrade
Boxer, can the entrenched pigs at Congress do anything to stop this theft,
or are they too corrupt to do anything about even this?"

"I am sad to say that Congress and the Administration are still controlled
by capitalist gangsters, Comrade Anderson Cooper. But of course, you know
this, being a part of the white male oppressive patriarchy, not to mention
a deluded religious fanatic ever since your conversion to Islam. And what
are these so-called 'general aviation' planes doing? Hauling their fat cat
bosses around in unparalleled luxury as they flit from one smoke-filled
room to another, planning their next nefarious assault on the poor working
slaves of the world."

"What about Comrade Gore? Doesn't he also fly a private jet?"

"Of course not. Comrade Gore's jet belongs to the people, as does our
beloved Gore. Therefore they gratefully support his travels in his
never-ending fight against capitalist gangsters by using the pigs' own
tools against them."

"Thank you, Comrade Boxer. Now, for an alternate point of view, we have
Comrade Patty Murray, a Senator from the State of Washington. Tell us how
your views differ from those of Comrade Boxer, Comrade Murray."

"Comrade Boxer is a Trotskyite revisionist pig, but otherwise she is right
on target with this one, Brother."

"And so, despite overwhelming unanimity that the captalist bosses and
their corporate tools should no longer be allowed to use the airways for
free, President Clinton refuses to budge from the promise made by her
corrupt husband when he was President -- that there will be no user fees
for these robber barons or their lackeys."
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2007-04-18 09:30:11 -0700, "karl gruber" said:

You're really a pro writer...........in disquise! Right?

Good post,
Karl

Thanks, but no. Having to write for a job would take all the fun out of
it. I think it would destroy what little is left of my imagination.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On 2007-04-17 21:37:31 -0700, Tchiowa said:

On Apr 17, 11:37 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

http://us.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/04/16/....ap/index.html

Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")

I wasn't sure if I was reading CNN or the Worker's World Daily. No
that there is that much difference any more.

Don't you just love revolutionary rhetoric? And yet CNN is using it more
and more. I expect to hear "running dogs of capitalism" any day now.

I can see it now:

"Once again we see that globe-trotting corporate bandits and their lackey
pilots are stealing bread from the mouths of the oppressed masses of air
travelers. The running dogs of capitalism must be brought to heel. For an
unbiased report, we turn to Comrade Barbara Boxer, who has joined CNN
after retiring from the oppressive establishment patriarchy. Comrade
Boxer, can the entrenched pigs at Congress do anything to stop this theft,
or are they too corrupt to do anything about even this?"

"I am sad to say that Congress and the Administration are still controlled
by capitalist gangsters, Comrade Anderson Cooper. But of course, you know
this, being a part of the white male oppressive patriarchy, not to mention
a deluded religious fanatic ever since your conversion to Islam. And what
are these so-called 'general aviation' planes doing? Hauling their fat cat
bosses around in unparalleled luxury as they flit from one smoke-filled
room to another, planning their next nefarious assault on the poor working
slaves of the world."

"What about Comrade Gore? Doesn't he also fly a private jet?"

"Of course not. Comrade Gore's jet belongs to the people, as does our
beloved Gore. Therefore they gratefully support his travels in his
never-ending fight against capitalist gangsters by using the pigs' own
tools against them."

"Thank you, Comrade Boxer. Now, for an alternate point of view, we have
Comrade Patty Murray, a Senator from the State of Washington. Tell us how
your views differ from those of Comrade Boxer, Comrade Murray."

"Comrade Boxer is a Trotskyite revisionist pig, but otherwise she is right
on target with this one, Brother."

"And so, despite overwhelming unanimity that the captalist bosses and
their corporate tools should no longer be allowed to use the airways for
free, President Clinton refuses to budge from the promise made by her
corrupt husband when he was President -- that there will be no user fees
for these robber barons or their lackeys."
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"Tchiowa" wrote:


Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")


It is useful to remember that the haters are the airlines and the ones they
hate are the bizjets, who are taking an ever-larger share of their most
profitable passengers away from them. The prospect of hundreds of VLJ air
taxis terrifies them. They really don't give a rat's butt about pipsqueaks
like us. If we are "collateral damage" in their campaign, well, too bad.

Any time you hear a phrase like "globe trotting corporate executive" on TV,
you may rightly suspect it came straight from the airlines' P. R. and lobbying
apparatus. TV networks, ever in search of superficial, sensational sound
bites and too lazy to do any research, will open wide for this kind of stuff.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote:


Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")


It is useful to remember that the haters are the airlines and the
ones they hate are the bizjets, who are taking an ever-larger share
of their most profitable passengers away from them. The prospect of
hundreds of VLJ air taxis terrifies them. They really don't give a
rat's butt about pipsqueaks like us. If we are "collateral damage"
in their campaign, well, too bad.


You are 100% right and the really bad part is that it is another example of
the airline industry not keeping up with the times. There is nothing
stopping UA, AA, and the others from jumping into the VLJ air taxi market
other than their own inertia. They missed the boat when SW and JetBlue came
along and they are going to miss it again.

On 2007-04-18 06:18:31 -0700, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net said:

Dan Luke wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote:


Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")


It is useful to remember that the haters are the airlines and the
ones they hate are the bizjets, who are taking an ever-larger share
of their most profitable passengers away from them. The prospect of
hundreds of VLJ air taxis terrifies them. They really don't give a
rat's butt about pipsqueaks like us. If we are "collateral damage"
in their campaign, well, too bad.


You are 100% right and the really bad part is that it is another example of
the airline industry not keeping up with the times. There is nothing
stopping UA, AA, and the others from jumping into the VLJ air taxi market
other than their own inertia. They missed the boat when SW and JetBlue came
along and they are going to miss it again.

Indeed. United or Southwest could easily have been the big buyers for
the Eclipse or the Maverick, forming a new subsidiary to handle the
taxi flights. But, no.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2007-04-18 08:11:53 -0700, C J Campbell
said:

On 2007-04-18 06:18:31 -0700, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net said:

Dan Luke wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote:


Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")


It is useful to remember that the haters are the airlines and the
ones they hate are the bizjets, who are taking an ever-larger share
of their most profitable passengers away from them. The prospect of
hundreds of VLJ air taxis terrifies them. They really don't give a
rat's butt about pipsqueaks like us. If we are "collateral damage"
in their campaign, well, too bad.


You are 100% right and the really bad part is that it is another example of
the airline industry not keeping up with the times. There is nothing
stopping UA, AA, and the others from jumping into the VLJ air taxi market
other than their own inertia. They missed the boat when SW and JetBlue came
along and they are going to miss it again.

Indeed. United or Southwest could easily have been the big buyers for
the Eclipse or the Maverick, forming a new subsidiary to handle the
taxi flights. But, no.

Ha. I said 'Maverick,' when I was thinking of the Cessna Mustang.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:11:53 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:

Indeed. United or Southwest could easily have been the big buyers for
the Eclipse or the Maverick, forming a new subsidiary to handle the
taxi flights. But, no.

You and Gig601 have hit the proverbial nail on the head, Chris.

The airlines (correctly) perceive a threat from VLJs.

NBAA is the organization in their crosshairs; we personal flyers are
merely collateral damage.

The positive response is to sell the golden future, when VLJs and RJs
provide on-demand point-to-point service for everybody and the
airlines operate cattle-cars between a few hubs. (Which is what
NASA's been planning for years.)

The negative response would be a knee-jerk rebuttal justifying the
status quo. That just opens the door to more claims and counterclaims,
which would only serve to call attention to and further disseminate
the original canards.

Don