Airline passengers subsidizing private aviation

Dan Luke wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote:


Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")


It is useful to remember that the haters are the airlines and the
ones they hate are the bizjets, who are taking an ever-larger share
of their most profitable passengers away from them. The prospect of
hundreds of VLJ air taxis terrifies them. They really don't give a
rat's butt about pipsqueaks like us. If we are "collateral damage"
in their campaign, well, too bad.


You are 100% right and the really bad part is that it is another example of
the airline industry not keeping up with the times. There is nothing
stopping UA, AA, and the others from jumping into the VLJ air taxi market
other than their own inertia. They missed the boat when SW and JetBlue came
along and they are going to miss it again.

On Apr 17, 5:09 pm, Andrew Gideon wrote:
Apparently, this didn't keep Joerger from fighting to keep the air
ambulance away. He owns a farm that he's wanted to subdivide according
to one article I've read...and it was just recently approved for
subdivision.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...1918&PAG=461&d...

Thanks for looking that up. I had wondered what ever happened. Of
course he'd get approved... after all it's in New Jersey, the most
corrupt place in the nation when it comes to development. Next to
Daley's little Chicago fiefdom, that is ;-)

Kev

On 2007-04-18 06:18:31 -0700, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net said:

Dan Luke wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote:


Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")


It is useful to remember that the haters are the airlines and the
ones they hate are the bizjets, who are taking an ever-larger share
of their most profitable passengers away from them. The prospect of
hundreds of VLJ air taxis terrifies them. They really don't give a
rat's butt about pipsqueaks like us. If we are "collateral damage"
in their campaign, well, too bad.


You are 100% right and the really bad part is that it is another example of
the airline industry not keeping up with the times. There is nothing
stopping UA, AA, and the others from jumping into the VLJ air taxi market
other than their own inertia. They missed the boat when SW and JetBlue came
along and they are going to miss it again.

Indeed. United or Southwest could easily have been the big buyers for
the Eclipse or the Maverick, forming a new subsidiary to handle the
taxi flights. But, no.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2007-04-18 08:11:53 -0700, C J Campbell
said:

On 2007-04-18 06:18:31 -0700, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net said:

Dan Luke wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote:


Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")


It is useful to remember that the haters are the airlines and the
ones they hate are the bizjets, who are taking an ever-larger share
of their most profitable passengers away from them. The prospect of
hundreds of VLJ air taxis terrifies them. They really don't give a
rat's butt about pipsqueaks like us. If we are "collateral damage"
in their campaign, well, too bad.


You are 100% right and the really bad part is that it is another example of
the airline industry not keeping up with the times. There is nothing
stopping UA, AA, and the others from jumping into the VLJ air taxi market
other than their own inertia. They missed the boat when SW and JetBlue came
along and they are going to miss it again.

Indeed. United or Southwest could easily have been the big buyers for
the Eclipse or the Maverick, forming a new subsidiary to handle the
taxi flights. But, no.

Ha. I said 'Maverick,' when I was thinking of the Cessna Mustang.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"William Black" wrote ....

Well they're busy buying up large amounts of European industry.
Interestingly neither of them are investing in the USA despite having huge
amounts of dollars.


Individual (and family) Indian investors represent among the largest
"repatriators" of US Dollars for investment in the US, with undeveloped real
estate, commercial buildings and hotel/motel properties among the most
popular investments.

The fastest area of investment growth by Chinese nationals involves the
construction and ownership of residential rental properties, of which the
"industry standard" seems to be four and eight plexes for student rentals
close to universities in smaller US cities. The reverse dollar flow for
such investing is slim, with most of the funds coming from US mortgage
lenders with full coffers and low rates. Surveys of Chinese working in the
US indicate substantial dollars exported to China for family maintenance,
the classic flow of earnings by legal and illegal Mexican/Central American
immigrants. Because of their extremely low profiles and low
apprehension/deportation rates, accurate data is hard to find for illegal
Chinese, but given avenues for remitting funds, "Family maintenance"
payments rank up there with "Paying the coyote

Part of the background for this type of investment....

US immigration laws are heavily weighted in favor of applicants with
substantial "real property" in the US. Own a big enough piece of a motel,
even in Dime Box, and you can set up residence.

TMO

You're really a pro writer...........in disquise! Right?

Good post,
Karl
"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On 2007-04-17 21:37:31 -0700, Tchiowa said:

On Apr 17, 11:37 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

http://us.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/04/16/....ap/index.html

Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")

I wasn't sure if I was reading CNN or the Worker's World Daily. No
that there is that much difference any more.

Don't you just love revolutionary rhetoric? And yet CNN is using it more
and more. I expect to hear "running dogs of capitalism" any day now.

I can see it now:

"Once again we see that globe-trotting corporate bandits and their lackey
pilots are stealing bread from the mouths of the oppressed masses of air
travelers. The running dogs of capitalism must be brought to heel. For an
unbiased report, we turn to Comrade Barbara Boxer, who has joined CNN
after retiring from the oppressive establishment patriarchy. Comrade
Boxer, can the entrenched pigs at Congress do anything to stop this theft,
or are they too corrupt to do anything about even this?"

"I am sad to say that Congress and the Administration are still controlled
by capitalist gangsters, Comrade Anderson Cooper. But of course, you know
this, being a part of the white male oppressive patriarchy, not to mention
a deluded religious fanatic ever since your conversion to Islam. And what
are these so-called 'general aviation' planes doing? Hauling their fat cat
bosses around in unparalleled luxury as they flit from one smoke-filled
room to another, planning their next nefarious assault on the poor working
slaves of the world."

"What about Comrade Gore? Doesn't he also fly a private jet?"

"Of course not. Comrade Gore's jet belongs to the people, as does our
beloved Gore. Therefore they gratefully support his travels in his
never-ending fight against capitalist gangsters by using the pigs' own
tools against them."

"Thank you, Comrade Boxer. Now, for an alternate point of view, we have
Comrade Patty Murray, a Senator from the State of Washington. Tell us how
your views differ from those of Comrade Boxer, Comrade Murray."

"Comrade Boxer is a Trotskyite revisionist pig, but otherwise she is right
on target with this one, Brother."

"And so, despite overwhelming unanimity that the captalist bosses and
their corporate tools should no longer be allowed to use the airways for
free, President Clinton refuses to budge from the promise made by her
corrupt husband when he was President -- that there will be no user fees
for these robber barons or their lackeys."
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

William Black writes:

The one where Boeing gets a huge wadge of cash from Uncle Sugar for military
research and does research into civilian or dual use applications that it
then marks 'classified'.

If they are classified, how do you know what they are?

Some high-technology projects are expensive, and classified projects often
involve leading-edge technologies.

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"TMOliver" wrote in message
...

"William Black" wrote ....

Well they're busy buying up large amounts of European industry.
Interestingly neither of them are investing in the USA despite having
huge amounts of dollars.


Individual (and family) Indian investors represent among the largest
"repatriators" of US Dollars for investment in the US, with undeveloped
real estate, commercial buildings and hotel/motel properties among the
most popular investments.

Oh come on.

Tata just bought British Steel.

Laxmi Mittal just bought Arcelor.

Let me know when an Indian buys US Steel...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
William Black writes:

The one where Boeing gets a huge wadge of cash from Uncle Sugar for
military
research and does research into civilian or dual use applications that it
then marks 'classified'.

If they are classified, how do you know what they are?

Some high-technology projects are expensive, and classified projects often
involve leading-edge technologies.

Get a life.

It's a hidden subsidy.

Everybody knows it.

Airbus made a complaint and dropped it so as to make the US drop its
complaint.

Making civil aircraft is an expensive business that has a lot more to do
with maintaining high technology industries and hanging onto high paid jobs
than profits.

Stop trying to pretend Boeing are clean, they're just as crooked as
everyone else.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black writes:

Get a life.

It's a hidden subsidy.

Everybody knows it.

It's something that Europeans would desperately like to believe.

Airbus made a complaint and dropped it so as to make the US drop its
complaint.

Or because the U.S. found out about its own method of getting contracts
through bribes?

Making civil aircraft is an expensive business that has a lot more to do
with maintaining high technology industries and hanging onto high paid jobs
than profits.

At Airbus, it's all politics, with aviation as a cover.

Stop trying to pretend Boeing are clean, they're just as crooked as
everyone else.

What makes you think that everyone is crooked? There are honest people in the
world, even if they aren't often in charge of European governments or
corporations.

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