flying in Argentina

- For solo flyers sufficient Spanish knowledge

They don't want to have to provide translators in the plane with you.
This is a very reasonable requirement - you are alone in a foreign
country. Speak the language - at least well enough to get by.

The whole point of a "guided tour" is that the tour members depend on
the tour arrangers for certain things. They are being explicit that
basic language assistance is not one of those things if you choose to
fly alone.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
- For solo flyers sufficient Spanish knowledge

They don't want to have to provide translators in the plane with you.
This is a very reasonable requirement - you are alone in a foreign
country. Speak the language - at least well enough to get by.

The whole point of a "guided tour" is that the tour members depend on
the tour arrangers for certain things. They are being explicit that
basic language assistance is not one of those things if you choose to
fly alone.

Jose

But English is the official language for flight operations
internationally is it not?

But English is the official language for flight operations internationally is it not?

It is. I think the concern isn't in-flight language, but rather, after
landing, when you need to find a bathroom or buy a taco. I suspect they
reasonably want you to be able to function in a Spanish speaking country
on your own.

Jose
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Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On Apr 21, 6:22 pm, Jose wrote:
But English is the official language for flight operations internationally is it not?

It is. I think the concern isn't in-flight language, but rather, after
landing, when you need to find a bathroom or buy a taco. I suspect they
reasonably want you to be able to function in a Spanish speaking country
on your own.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Dear friends,

thank you Jose, you will became the first price as assistant, in fact,
you had understood the meaning of all.

but...

even English is an international ICAO language as well Spanish,
Russian, and French, the local aeronautical laws and regulations in
Argentina would not allow the foreign pilot to fly into national
airspace with a LV matriculated aircraft whiteout fluent Spanish
knowledge. May be would not be in accordance to ICAO norms but this is
a fact.

best regards

arturo

Do you have to be fluent in Spanish? Or maybe I should ask how fluent do I have
to be? I can get by in Spanish, we call it Tourist Spanish. I can find
something eat, find a hotel and rent a room. And the to most impotent Spanish
sentences.

Dos cervezas, por favor.
¿Dónde está el baño?


On 30 Apr 2007 01:25:59 -0700, wrote:

Argentina would not allow the foreign pilot to fly into national
airspace with a LV matriculated aircraft whiteout fluent Spanish
knowledge.

GeorgeC

On Apr 30, 10:15 pm, GeorgeC wrote:
Do you have to be fluent in Spanish? Or maybe I should ask how fluent do I have
to be? I can get by in Spanish, we call it Tourist Spanish. I can find
something eat, find a hotel and rent a room. And the to most impotent Spanish
sentences.

Dos cervezas, por favor.
¿Dónde está el baño?

On 30 Apr 2007 01:25:59 -0700, wrote:

Argentina would not allow the foreign pilot to fly into national
airspace with a LV matriculated aircraft whiteout fluent Spanish
knowledge.

GeorgeC

well george,
is my English fluent or not? i guess it is not to write a novel, may
be enough to operate radio contact with a tower and very good to enjoy
a trip through miami )

law requires fluent Spanish, i guess to avoid misunderstands during a
special VFR or Taxing a busy airport and so one. Well what is fluent?
will depend in fact on your own discretion and ultimately of the
authorities.

to avoid these bureaucratic steps and furthermore to help you, assist
and guide you, I willl enjoy the trip at your side, be your personal
assistant and will make sure, that you get a very confortable trip,
also with más cervezas if needed or eatch other desire

saludos

arturo

Your English is just fine. Better that my Spanish. I would not try to enter
messages into a Spanish language Usenet. Keep up the good work and keep posting.
Were you able to read my Spanish? Your quote can back with the accent
characters and the e~ne (ene) as garbage. I thank my computer do not understand
Spanish.

It should have read:

Dos cervezas, por favor.
Donde esta el bano?

About the trip to Miami, You might have some trouble understating the Cuban
accent. :-). Once a Spaniard told me I sounded like a Mexican movie. I took it
as a compliment. I am sure he meant is as an insult. "So close to Mexico, so far
from God." )

Thank you for your kind offer. I'm sure we could have lots of fun.

On 1 May 2007 04:11:51 -0700, wrote:

On Apr 30, 10:15 pm, GeorgeC wrote:
Do you have to be fluent in Spanish? Or maybe I should ask how fluent do I have
to be? I can get by in Spanish, we call it Tourist Spanish. I can find
something eat, find a hotel and rent a room. And the to most impotent Spanish
sentences.

Dos cervezas, por favor.
¿Dónde está el baño?

On 30 Apr 2007 01:25:59 -0700, wrote:

Argentina would not allow the foreign pilot to fly into national
airspace with a LV matriculated aircraft whiteout fluent Spanish
knowledge.

GeorgeC

well george,
is my English fluent or not? i guess it is not to write a novel, may
be enough to operate radio contact with a tower and very good to enjoy
a trip through miami )

law requires fluent Spanish, i guess to avoid misunderstands during a
special VFR or Taxing a busy airport and so one. Well what is fluent?
will depend in fact on your own discretion and ultimately of the
authorities.

to avoid these bureaucratic steps and furthermore to help you, assist
and guide you, I willl enjoy the trip at your side, be your personal
assistant and will make sure, that you get a very confortable trip,
also with más cervezas if needed or eatch other desire

saludos

arturo

GeorgeC

On 1 May 2007 04:11:51 -0700, wrote:

law requires fluent Spanish, i guess to avoid misunderstands during a
special VFR or Taxing a busy airport and so one.

The ICAO has established that English is the de-facto language of
international air traffic control.

The ICAO will require as of March of 2008, all pilots flying
internationally and all Air Traffic Controllers must pass the ICAO level 4
language standards for English proficiency.

To be assessed at ICAO Level 4 English or above, a pilot or air traffic
controller must achieve Level 4 in all six of the ICAO skill areas:
Pronunciation, Structure, Vocabulary, Fluency, Comprehension and
Interactions.

So why do you have a law that requires fluent English speakers to become
fluent in Spanish?

--
Dallas

also with más cervezas if needed or eatch other desire

Maybe some place where they serve beer and at the same time can teach me the
tango. ]:-)

GeorgeC

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:15:10 -0500, GeorgeC
wrote:

And the to most impotent Spanish
sentences.

I spent January in Ushuaia, and I found that my Spanish was fairly
impotent, too.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

(By the way, the GA airport in Ushuaia runs north-south, in a part of
the world where the wind blows strong east-west, given that it has the
whole world around to get up speed. It's a hoot watching the light
planes on final.)