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Old April 24th 07, 09:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Gig 601XL Builder
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Larry Dighera wrote:

The chilling documentary film "Orwell Rolls in His Grave" examines the
relationship between the media, corporate America, and government. In
a country where the "top 1% control 90% of the wealth", ... SNIP


And that is a BS number.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesam...er/wealth.html

The Wealth Distribution
In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few
hands. As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of
all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional,
and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people
owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80%
(wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth, the top 1% of
households had an even greater sha 39.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present
further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at
New York University (2004).


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Old April 24th 07, 09:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:02:09 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
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And that is a BS number.


Control != Own
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Old April 24th 07, 10:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:02:09 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
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And that is a BS number.


Control != Own


So Larry, what is your definition of "Control" that can boost the number
from 33.4% to 90%?


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Old April 25th 07, 12:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
Larry Dighera wrote:


And that is a BS number.


Control != Own


So Larry, what is your definition of "Control" that can boost the number
from 33.4% to 90%?


A friend of mine who is a Statistics instructor regularly dismantles figures
such as these. The US economic system is too complex to say offhand "this
percentage owns this percentage"; it depends on how you derive your data and
how it is organized. By and large, though, corporations are run by people
like Carly Fiorina and folks who get paid hundreds of millions of dollars
despite destroying companies and costing hundreds or thousands of jobs, and
the average working-class Joe Commercial Pilot, cop, truck driver, support
technician, electrician, assembly line operator...the people who ACTUALLY
MAKE THE CORPORATION RUN...make a pittance of what these people award
themselves as hiring or firing bonuses.

-c




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Old April 25th 07, 06:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On 2007-04-24 16:23:53 -0700, "gatt" said:


"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
Larry Dighera wrote:


And that is a BS number.

Control != Own


So Larry, what is your definition of "Control" that can boost the number
from 33.4% to 90%?


A friend of mine who is a Statistics instructor regularly dismantles figures
such as these. The US economic system is too complex to say offhand "this
percentage owns this percentage"; it depends on how you derive your data and
how it is organized. By and large, though, corporations are run by people
like Carly Fiorina and folks who get paid hundreds of millions of dollars
despite destroying companies and costing hundreds or thousands of jobs, and
the average working-class Joe Commercial Pilot, cop, truck driver, support
technician, electrician, assembly line operator...the people who ACTUALLY
MAKE THE CORPORATION RUN...make a pittance of what these people award
themselves as hiring or firing bonuses.

-c


Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare
the statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.

The fact is, 1% of Americans do not control 90% of the wealth unless
you are a rabid conspiracy theorist. Then you just assume everything is
controlled by the Illuminati or the Trilateral Commission or Bavarian
Bankers or Halliburton or what-have-you. Since no one can prove you
wrong, you must be right, eh?

Of course, if you are going to do that you have to betray every
principle that liberalism supposedly stands for.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

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Old April 25th 07, 01:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare the
statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.

The fact is, 1% of Americans do not control 90% of the wealth unless you
are a rabid conspiracy theorist.


The fact is that I control 100% of the wealth.

If it isn't mine, it doesn't count.


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Old April 25th 07, 02:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
news:2007042422113016807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...

Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare
the statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.

The fact is, 1% of Americans do not control 90% of the wealth unless you
are a rabid conspiracy theorist.


The fact is that I control 100% of the wealth.


I control the vertical, I control the horizontal....


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Old April 25th 07, 02:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On 2007-04-24 16:23:53 -0700, "gatt" said:

-c


Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare the
statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.

The fact is, 1% of Americans do not control 90% of the wealth unless you
are a rabid conspiracy theorist. Then you just assume everything is
controlled by the Illuminati or the Trilateral Commission or Bavarian
Bankers or Halliburton or what-have-you. Since no one can prove you wrong,
you must be right, eh?



Example: One CEO "controls" a $100 Billion corporation that has 100,000
shareholders.

See how easy that is? Of course, that would take just a smidge of brainpower
and one's "feelings" would get hurt.


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Old April 25th 07, 09:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On 2007-04-25 06:35:01 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
said:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
news:2007042422113016807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
On 2007-04-24 16:23:53 -0700, "gatt" said:

-c


Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare the
statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.

The fact is, 1% of Americans do not control 90% of the wealth unless you
are a rabid conspiracy theorist. Then you just assume everything is
controlled by the Illuminati or the Trilateral Commission or Bavarian
Bankers or Halliburton or what-have-you. Since no one can prove you wrong,
you must be right, eh?



Example: One CEO "controls" a $100 Billion corporation that has 100,000
shareholders.

See how easy that is? Of course, that would take just a smidge of brainpower
and one's "feelings" would get hurt.


The trouble with that is the assumption that the country's wealth is
tied up in large corporations. It is not. And, as anyone who DOES work
for a large corporation knows, the CEO is rarely in 'control.'

Comrade, it may be useful to lie to the masses about the control that
the globe-trotting capitalist dogs exert over their lives, but we must
keep our eyes open and not be deceived by our own propaganda. Let the
populist pols do that. The bourgeousie control the bulk of the wealth,
but they must never know that or they will never join the people's
revolution. Encourage them to believe they are fighting corporate
tyranny. When they are ready, we will give them knives and they will
cut their own throats.

One word of warning about associating too closely with Larry Dighera. I
am preparing to denounce the insufferable Trotskyite pig as a bourgeous
reactionary. The man is a socialist, not a true believer. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

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Old April 26th 07, 06:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
gatt
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
news:2007042422113016807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...

So Larry, what is your definition of "Control" that can boost the number
from 33.4% to 90%?


A friend of mine who is a Statistics instructor regularly dismantles
figures
such as these. The US economic system is too complex to say offhand
"this
percentage owns this percentage"; it depends on how you derive your data
and
how it is organized.


Of course. If the facts don't agree with the original premise, declare the
statistics to be meaningless and arbitrary.


Note: I'm not Larry.



-c


 




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