GoogleGroups Acting Hinky?

On 4/26/2007 10:39:21 AM, Jay Honeck wrote:

Can anyone recommend any other web-based newsgroup portals?

Why does it have to be web-based? Can't you take up Martin's offer of free
access to his Usenet servers?

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Peter

On 4/26/2007 11:42:00 AM, "Peter R." wrote:

Can't you take up Martin's offer of free
access to his Usenet servers?

To clarify, Martin Hotze's offer...

I know you two are newsgroup nemeses, but free and reliable is an offer that
you are seeking and he provides.

--
Peter

Peter R. schrieb:


I know you two are newsgroup nemeses, but [...]

well, at least we both agree to disagree. :-)

regarding my usenet access offer: to each his own. Take it and use it or
leave it.

But I am interested in which groups you all are subscribed (I want to
get a bigger picture and see which groups might be worth adding.).

#m
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I am not a terrorist http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:13:27 +0200, Martin Hotze
wrote in :

regarding my usenet access offer: to each his own. Take it and use it or
leave it.

But I am interested in which groups you all are subscribed (I want to
get a bigger picture and see which groups might be worth adding.).

Perhaps it is the anonymity provided by GoogleGroups, and the relative
inability of tracking who posts what to which newsgroups that makes
GoogleGroups so attractive to certain individuals. Or perhaps it's
GoogleGroup's inferior web-based user interface, and the lack of
necessity to configure the IP address of the nnpt server that some
desire.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:37:25 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote in :

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:13:27 +0200, Martin Hotze
wrote in :

regarding my usenet access offer: to each his own. Take it and use it or
leave it.

But I am interested in which groups you all are subscribed (I want to
get a bigger picture and see which groups might be worth adding.).

Perhaps it is the anonymity provided by GoogleGroups, and the relative
inability of tracking who posts what to which newsgroups that makes
GoogleGroups so attractive to certain individuals. Or perhaps it's
GoogleGroup's inferior web-based user interface, and the lack of
necessity to configure the IP address of the nnpt server that some
desire.

I love Google.

I'm grateful that they've preserved and augmented the deja archives.

I probably google newsgroups every day, if not six or eight times
a day.

I read and post through a news service provider using a Real Newsreader
(GARNA!) because that is so much more satisfying to me.

I understand that other people have different tastes and opinions ...

Marty
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Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:18:41 -0400, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote in :


I'm grateful that they've preserved and augmented the deja archives.

I probably google newsgroups every day, if not six or eight times
a day.


I too am grateful that the content of Usenet is still on-line. But
I'm not happy with the restriction in search criteria imposed by
Google. Under DejaNews one could search on any text in the original
article including the header fields. Google thought we didn't need
that, and took it away. They obfuscate URLs. And Google's user
interface generally tends to get in the way, rather than facilitate
reading the news. I suppose that's why you and I don't use it except
for research.

GoogleGroups is also a portal for anonymous spam entry into Usenet.
GoogleGroups is not a responsible member of the Usenet community,
because they do not revoke access from users who post spam articles.
In the old days, if your site was a source of spam content, your
Usenet node would find itself disconnected. Progress... :-(

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:05:06 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote in :

... Google's user
interface generally tends to get in the way, rather than facilitate
reading the news. I suppose that's why you and I don't use it except
for research.

I'd hate to have it be my only means of accessing and posting
to Usenet.

GoogleGroups is also a portal for anonymous spam entry into Usenet.
GoogleGroups is not a responsible member of the Usenet community,
because they do not revoke access from users who post spam articles.
In the old days, if your site was a source of spam content, your
Usenet node would find itself disconnected. Progress... :-(

It's tough. I can see how they are caught between a rock
and a hard place. On balance, I think they do a lot more
good--vastly more good--than harm.

Marty
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Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.