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August 26th 03, 10:03 PM
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August 26th 03, 10:44 PM
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Russia would be better off if it sold its Tu-160s to the Confederate Air Force
and used the money to buy medicines: AIHA's CommonHealth What does the coming decade hold for the New Independent States? "Demograhically the outlook is bleak. I expect population growth to decline and possibly even become negative over the next few years, in virtually all of the former Republics. Although it is difficult to generalize, several factors contribute to this trend. First, and most visibly, is the military unrest in several regions and the attendant emigration patterns.... Second, my gloomy projections reflect disturbing decreases in life expectancy, and equally troubling increases in infant mortality. Moreover, abortions continue at a high level, often causing secondary infections and infertility. Thus in many regions of Russia and Ukraine, crude death rates now exceed crude birth rates.... In part these patterns reflect the third notable factor in NIS demographic trends: dramatic increases in childhood diseases. For example, Moscow, which has a population of 9 million, recorded an astonishing 46 cases of diphtheria in 1988, 94 in 1989, 688 in 1990, and 1,100 in 1991. The 1991 incidence of diphtheria in Moscow (12.5 per 100,000) was more than 7, 000 times the rate in the US (.0016 per 100,000). Stated another way, if the incidence of diphtheria in the US were the same as it is in Moscow, diphtheria would strike 30,500 Americans each year. Tragically, we can also expect these remarkable numbers to climb in the NIS, because immunization levels in the NIS are much below the minimum considered necessary to prevent an epidemic. Current global standards define that level as 90 percent (although Soviet sources usually referred to 95 percent as the necessary epidemic-prevention level). For the NIS as a whole, immunization levels are below 80 percent. In Russia, those rates hovered near 65 percent; in Uzbekistan they run as low as 40 percent. All of these conditions have been aggravated by long decades of environmental degradation. For example, 70 million persons in the NIS currently live in cities where air pollutants exceed Maximum Pollution Concentration levels (the "PDK") by five times: 50 million reside in cities where pollutants exceed the PDK by ten times or more. In general, each five-fold increase in pollution rates over the PDK represents a doubling in the illness rate. Surface water and land contamination throughout the NIS pose analogous problems. Perhaps the single most important environmental factor now under study is radioactivity. Chernobyl's release of 50 million curies is minor compared to the release of radioactivity by military testing in Chelyabinsk, Sami-Palatinsk, and the Northern Seas, or the release of radioactivity by civilian nuclear explosions throughout the entire country. I believe that this radioactivity is related to the sharply rise in birth defects and deformities throughout the former Soviet Union. It also offers an explanation for why life expectancies are so low (45 to 50 years at birth) in areas such as the northern tier of Russia and the Urals. All of these factors contribute to relatively low life expectancy throughout the NIS. The current situation is greatly aggravated by the state of the health care system in the NIS. Medicines are in such short supply that a leading Russian physician told the Moscow Medical Society that the expects 1.5 million excess deaths in Russia this year due solely to lack of medications -not including shortages of bandages, single-use syringes and needles, electrocardiographs, and other supplies and equipment. There is no simple cure for this confluence of negative factors...." Murray Feshbach is Research Professor of Demography at Georgetown University (Washington, DC). Chris Mark
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August 27th 03, 06:25 PM
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Russia would be better off if it sold its Tu-160s to the Confederate Air Force and used the money to buy medicines: They can have my Confederate Air Force patch when they pry it from my old, wrinkled uniform shirt.  v/r Gordon
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August 28th 03, 01:37 AM
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August 26th 03, 11:51 PM
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August 27th 03, 06:21 PM
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Let me get this straight, comrade Mikey - I made a mistake, admitted it
immediately, and, in your rather dim eyes, you see this as "destroying" my "professional reputation"? Well, I could take a page from your playbook and deny my error in the face of overwhelming evidence (MOON HOAX) or slightly backpedal without ever admitting I made a mistake, but to tell you the truth, I wouldn't want to do anything in your manner. I prefer to admit my mistakes when they happen. you who has a stainless credibility of high flying US NAVY aviation expert. Thanks, comrade Mikey! Here I thought I was just a face in the crowd of people who think of you as a nationalist ex-patriot. Although the question remains do all US NAVY aviation experts still believe that Tu-160s and russian NAVY Tu-22M3s are the same planes? Just curiosity. Ask them, comrade - since I have been out of the Navy for years, it seems ridiculous of you, as usual, to think I am speaking on their behalf. I don't represent the US Navy; I represent the people who think you are a fool. Look at the dates. your "days" are from the same department of "small mistakes". It seems Gordon you do have propesities to distort unpleasant reality according to your current needs. Yeah Gordon small useful lie? Funny, that - I made a mistake and didn't try to cover it. In the last couple years of watching you here in RAM, I don't recall ever seeing you do the same. As for Tu-22M3 vs. Tu-160 well some "small mistakes" can destroy professional reputation forever. I didn't confuse these two numerical designations, I confused their quite similar NATO reporting names, ONCE, in a posting, and admitting to my mistake. Since you seem in a position of being able to claim you've never made a similar mistake, I'd love to see you say that in print. in my personal view this "small mistake" does speak for the real professional level of its maker. Your "personal view" is mighty narrow anyway and is of no concern. Or are you pretending that before this error of mine, you considered me an expert...? You're just being churlish, as I'd expect of you. I do not know how about others but sorry Gordon after that "accident" I cannot take you seriousely anymore, at least not in the field of military aviation. Please, Mikey, don't feel sorry - I think I can live with it. Gordon
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August 28th 03, 10:24 AM
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August 28th 03, 06:47 PM
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Mike says:
Let me get this straight, comrade Mikey - I made a mistake, admitted it immediately, and, in your rather dim eyes, you see this as "destroying" my "professional reputation"? It depends on type of mistake certanly. The fact is that aviation experts cannot confuse T-160 and Tu22. This just cannot happend with aviation experts. And the fact that you indeed admitted it does not change the fact that your are not an aviation expert. Clutch the pearls, I've been discovered!!! Horrors. Michael, I don't sign my posts with "Gordon, aviation expert" - I don't claim it. Trying to put words in my mouth doesn't help your claim, Moonboy. Well, I could take a page from your playbook and deny my error in the face of overwhelming evidence (MOON HOAX) or slightly backpedal without ever admitting I made a mistake, but to tell you the truth, I wouldn't want to do anything in your manner. I prefer to admit my mistakes when they happen. Of course. What you could do else? Lie. Like you. Like Mladen. Like Venik. Thats what separates you and them, from me. Insisting that Tu-160 and Backfires are the same? That would be funny indeed. Talking about something I didn't do..? you who has a stainless credibility of high flying US NAVY aviation expert. Thanks, comrade Mikey! Here I thought I was just a face in the crowd of people who think of you as a nationalist ex-patriot. Wrongly thought. In fact I am internationalist and patriot, Russia patriot of course. An external patriot then? I wonder how such a "patriot" helps his country from a distance. In your case, it does make sense -- "Comrade Michael, you serve us best by leaving." Not a US patriot. That's the only reason for you pathological hate against me. No, no - just a few annoying traits of yours. Like other nationalistic chest-beaters, when you spend 100% of your efforts driving down the country you oppose, it makes you look shrill. Although the question remains do all US NAVY aviation experts still believe that Tu-160s and russian NAVY Tu-22M3s are the same planes? Just curiosity. Ask them, comrade - since I have been out of the Navy for years, it seems ridiculous of you, as usual, to think I am speaking on their behalf. I don't represent the US Navy; I represent the people who think you are a fool. Are you an impostor in addition? LOL No, Mikey, I really DO represent the people who think you are a fool. Why would not you speak for yourself only? Who else would I speak for, Comrade? My kids, perhaps. That's about it. But you want bring others who gave you no rights for "speaking on their behalf". Well, its supposed to be a big secret, but I'm sure we can trust you. You see, Michael, there are about 50 of us that meet twice a month in Francoise' cellar where we plot ways of making you look dense. By popular vote among the Moonboy Fanclub, I am their spokesman. Why is that? Just make your empty words looking a bit more heavier. That's why. A small useful lie, Gordon, again. If you can't tell sarcasm, there isn't anything I can do to help you. "I represent the people who think you are an idiot" is not a lie. Look at the dates. your "days" are from the same department of "small mistakes". It seems Gordon you do have propesities to distort unpleasant reality according to your current needs. Yeah Gordon small useful lie? Funny, that - I made a mistake and didn't try to cover it. I never said you tried to cover it. It was simply impossible. Otherwise I think you almost certainly would try. You _think_? In the last couple years of watching you here in RAM, I don't recall ever seeing you do the same. Perhaps s bad vision. Riiiiiiiiiight, Moonboy. As for Tu-22M3 vs. Tu-160 well some "small mistakes" can destroy professional reputation forever. Thankfully, I am not a professional in aviation at this point in my life. Just a person who made a small mistake and admitted to it. Sorry, Moonboy, but if I had a professional reputation to damage, I think claiming Apollo was a hoax would be the proper way to "destroy" it. I didn't confuse these two numerical designations, I confused their quite similar NATO reporting names, Are "Blackjack" and "Backfire" names so really similar for you? Simple mistake, comrade. Like when you call yourself a patriot, when you live and work in a different country, contributing nothing to your country. ONCE, in a posting, and admitting to my mistake. Since you seem in a position of being able to claim you've never made a similar mistake, I'd love to see you say that in print. Although I am not an aviation expert I indeed never confused Tu-160 and Tu22Ms. I did. Once. in my personal view this "small mistake" does speak for the real professional level of its maker. Wow, that stings. Your "personal view" is mighty narrow anyway and is of no concern. Lie again Gordon, You are very concern about my "personal view". LOL No, I am very concerned about my kids. Little else. Otherwise you would not respond in the way you did. Your reputation is in danger. Well... so far, you seem the only person to have taken notice that 1) I HAD a reputation or 2) that I am in danger of destroying it. That's why you so concern. Note every time you try to fix it you go in even more traubles. So recommend you: shut up. Michael, I have thought over your suggestion and have decided that it is more enjoyable to get into trauble. Maybe it will be forgotten ... or maybe not. Michael Spoken by Moonboy, that's not much of a threat. Gordon
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August 28th 03, 11:16 PM
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