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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:30:29 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote in : In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Wouldn't you characterize streets awash in homeless retirees a burden on society? it's not an either-or situation... What is your rationale for that statement? The Federal government is not the only possible provider for senior citizens (notice I didn't say the Feds were a solution). The federal government is the only entity that is not subject to Enronization of workers retirement funds. Or do you know of others? Do you (Larry) really think that only Social Security prevents the streets from being awash in homeless retirees? I believe that most workers are too shortsighted to provide for their old age themselves. I have no source to support that, but I have lived long enough to understand human behavior a bit. Maybe families should care for each other. nah, that couldn't possibly work. And what do you propose for those without families, or whose families are unable to afford supporting older workers? That's not the way FDR saw it. so what? So better minds than ours have hashed this issue out long ago, and come to the conclusion that SSI was a beneficial plan in the '30s, and I don't see how the situation has fundamentally changed from that time. |
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So better minds than ours have hashed this issue out long ago, and
come to the conclusion that SSI was a beneficial plan in the '30s, and I don't see how the situation has fundamentally changed from that time. The population distribution has changed, and the number of entitled people has changed. Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote: The Federal government is not the only possible provider for senior citizens (notice I didn't say the Feds were a solution). The federal government is the only entity that is not subject to Enronization of workers retirement funds. Or do you know of others? 1) Your faith in the federal government is not justified. There is nothing that absolutely guarentees that the Feds won't stop social security (after all, social security is not a constitutional requirement of the federal government). 2) Protection from "Enronization" is a requirement? what would constitute such protection? Do you (Larry) really think that only Social Security prevents the streets from being awash in homeless retirees? I believe that most workers are too shortsighted to provide for their old age themselves. I have no source to support that, but I have lived long enough to understand human behavior a bit. You didn't answer the question. Do you believe that ONLY social security prevent the streets from being awash in homeless retirees? Maybe families should care for each other. nah, that couldn't possibly work. And what do you propose for those without families, or whose families are unable to afford supporting older workers? Charities (which are NOT subject to the bureaucratic nonsense of DC). I, for one, would have more money to give to charities, if my tax burden was lower. Neighbors (haven't you ever seen people helping people?) That's not the way FDR saw it. so what? So better minds than ours have hashed this issue out long ago, and come to the conclusion that SSI was a beneficial plan in the '30s, hmmm, "beneficial" to who? Are you seriously suggesting that everything decided 70 years ago can't be reevaluated in the context of today's needs and abilities? and I don't see how the situation has fundamentally changed from that time. "I don't see how the situation..." no kidding that you don't see it. -- Bob Noel (goodness, please trim replies!!!) |
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Bob Noel wrote:
and I don't see how the situation has fundamentally changed from that time. "I don't see how the situation..." no kidding that you don't see it. The definition of irrational is not being able to accept or even see things as they really are. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:30:29 -0400, Bob Noel wrote in : In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Wouldn't you characterize streets awash in homeless retirees a burden on society? it's not an either-or situation... What is your rationale for that statement? The Federal government is not the only possible provider for senior citizens (notice I didn't say the Feds were a solution). The federal government is the only entity that is not subject to Enronization of workers retirement funds. Or do you know of others? Your right, if people make stupid choices in their selections of retirement funds they can get hurt. Putting all your money into a single company is a bad idea but it's your choice as opposed to SS where your still putting your money into a single company ( US GOV ) but you have to hope it's going to be ok. From what I know, none of the Enron employees lost their retirement money if it was not in Enron stock. Do you (Larry) really think that only Social Security prevents the streets from being awash in homeless retirees? I believe that most workers are too shortsighted to provide for their old age themselves. I have no source to support that, but I have lived long enough to understand human behavior a bit. Maybe families should care for each other. nah, that couldn't possibly work. And what do you propose for those without families, or whose families are unable to afford supporting older workers? That's not the way FDR saw it. so what? So better minds than ours have hashed this issue out long ago, and come to the conclusion that SSI was a beneficial plan in the '30s, and I don't see how the situation has fundamentally changed from that time. |
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![]() "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... The federal government is the only entity that is not subject to Enronization of workers retirement funds. Or do you know of others? The federal government is just as subject to "Enronization" of workers retirement funds as Enron. |
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