NY Times Story on Pilot Population Decline

gatt wrote:

The fact that a company large or small would leave the US to reduce the
amount of taxes they have to pay ought to show you that taxes are too high
in this country.


Unless the purchasers of the company aren't domestic in the first place.


What does that have to do with anything? No matter who owns a given
company it behooves them to locate the business in the most advantageous
location that they can. If they discover they are in a place that
with a climate hostile to business they're gonna go elswhere.

Its not suprising Tennessee, Texas and Florida have booming economies..
all three states have no income tax. That's attractive to employers
(less paperwork) and workers (they get to keep more of their money).

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Thanks to your comment, I understand the issue much more fully now.
How silly of me to respect the judgment of only U.S. president to have
been elected to more than two terms by our nation's people, guided our
nation through recovery from the Great Depression, and through World
War II. Your opinion clearly trumps FDR's. I forgot how omnipotent
ATC controllers are. Sorry. :-(


FDR did not guide the US through recovery from the Great Depression, he
drove us deeper into it.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Bush wasn't wrong; he was deceitful.


Prove it.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Thank you for your input.

Unfortunately, I seem to not have made myself clear at all. I'm
describing the shortcomings of pure capitalism. I'm not advocating
any particular system or remedy. I'm just interested in discovering
how those shortcomings a of capitalistic system I mentioned might be
mitigated, so that ALL benefit, producers and consumers alike. After
all, producers are victims of ever decreasing prices just as consumers
are victims of the loss of US jobs.


There is no improving of free markets. Whatever shortcomings you might see
in them, the "cure" is always worse.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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The fact that a company large or small would leave the US to reduce
the amount of taxes they have to pay ought to show you that taxes
are too high in this country.

Unless the purchasers of the company aren't domestic in the first
place.


Purchasers of what? The company's stock?

The company. IE, I'm a corporation in Asia or Europe, I'm acquiring your
company (say, Chrysler), I'm moving it outside of the US. Not because the
taxes are too high, but because I can.



-c

"kontiki" wrote in message
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What does that have to do with anything? No matter who owns a given
company it behooves them to locate the business in the most advantageous
location that they can. If they discover they are in a place that
with a climate hostile to business they're gonna go elswhere.

But not necessarily because of taxation is unfair. I'm definately not saying
that it's not a reason that businesses do it, it's just not necessarily THE
reason to do it. By extension of the philosophy, it's like saying if taxes
were lower outside of America, Americans would leave America. Some Americans
do leave, and possibly because of taxes, but it's incorrect to say that they
all leave because of high taxation. In fact, most don't; they remain in
America and grumble about the taxes. ;P

By the way, check out this piece of propaganda I found:

"Wal-Mart firmly believes in local procurement. We recognize that quality
products can generate more job opportunities, support local manufacturing
and boost economic development. Over 95% of the merchandise in our stores in
China is sourced locally."
http://www.wal-martchina.com/english/walmart/index.htm


-c

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:24:36 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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FDR did not guide the US through recovery from the Great Depression, he
drove us deeper into it.


I think you're thinking of president Hoover:

http://home.att.net/~history240/hist...epression.html
Aggravating the nation’s economic problems was the passage of the
Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act of 1930, intended to protect American industry
from foreign competition. As the highest tariff in the history of the
United States, it is named after the Republican Congressman (Willis C.
Hawley) and Republican Senator (Reed Smoot), who jointly sponsored its
passage, which was immediately signed into law by President Herbert
Hoover. The tariff brought immediate revengeful tariffs against the
United States, which resulted in a severe decrease in foreign trade,
thus intensifying the harsh effects of the Great Depression worldwide.
Hoover maintained that status quo insofar as his policy agenda was
concerned; in other words, he failed to take action to correct a
rapidly deteriorating economic situation, depending instead on private
enterprise and corporations to pick themselves up and correct the
situation.

Despite rapidly increasing evidence to the contrary, President
Hoover continued to deny that the economy was in crisis. On December
2, 1930, after the passing of the first year of the Great Depression,
President Herbert Hoover delivered his message to the Congress,
insisting that “the fundamental strength of the economy is
unimpaired.”

Later, a critic of the President pointed out evidence to the
contrary of Hoover’s continued assertions, stating that there are
great numbers of unemployed men selling apples in a desperate effort
to earn just a little money. Defending his position, the President
responded by contending that these men were simply engaged in “free
enterprise.” According to Herbert Hoover, “Many people have left
their jobs for the more profitable one of selling apples.”

Meanwhile, “Hoovervilles” sprung up across the United States.
Hooverville was the name given to shantytown built on the outskirts of
American communities during the Great Depression, to house poor and
dispossessed
people in the 1930s.


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The “Bonus Expeditionary Force” of 1932, was composed of unemployed
World War One veterans, who, largely independent from one another,
congregated at Washington, D.C., to demand passage of the Patman Bill
that proposed the immediate issue of promised government bonuses
rather than wait thirteen years for the planned date of issue.

Pursuant to the demands of these veterans, and as the result of
intense and successful lobbying to that end by veterans’ advocates,
including the American Legion, the Congress passed the Veteran Bonus
Act of 1924 over the veto of President Calvin Coolidge. Acting in
accordance with the new law, the Federal government issued
certificates in 1924, guaranteeing payments of $1,000 per veteran on
average, to be made in 1945.

During the crisis of the Great Depression, many desperate and
unemployed American veterans demanded early payment to meet their
financial needs. In an effort to meets such exigencies, Wright Patman
of the U.S. House of Representatives, introduced a bill to speed up
the payment of the veterans’ bonuses.

Calling for the passage of the Patman Bill, veterans converged on
Washington D.C. in the spring of 1932, taking up residence in a tent
city near where the Pentagon stands today. Having passed through the
House of Representatives, the bill was killed in the Senate in mid
June 1932.

When the camped out Bonus Expeditionary Force, as the veterans were
called, refused to break camp and depart, President Herbert Hoover
ordered their eviction and dispersal of the members of the Bonus
Expeditionary Force, and the destruction of their tent city. These
orders were carried out by the U.S. Army, under the command of General
Douglas MacArthur (1880–1964).

A few months earlier (January 4, 1932), Time magazine reported a quote
from President Herbert Hoover, who still denied the depths of the
nation’s economic crisis. The President, according to the article,
was even proud of the fact that “the nation’s needy have gone through
three hard winters without a dollar’s worth of direct aid from the
Federal Treasury” (as a supposed indication that welfare socialism was
unnecessary).

According to the President, “Nobody’s actually starving. The hoboes,
for example, are better fed than they have ever been. [And, with
reference to the lines of people waiting to be fed at the soup
kitchens, he stated:] One hobo in New York got ten meals in one day.”

Either in a continued state of denial or a sense of his own importance
and grandiosity, Herbert Hoover decided to run for reelection in the
autumn of 1932. In this reelection bid, Hoover is astonished when his
presidential train is regularly battered with eggs and tomatoes as it
passes through communities along the campaign trail.

As his train passed through cities and towns in the Upper Mid-West,
unprecedented numbers of people appeared to greet the President with
placards and chants of “Hang Hoover.” Such a clamoring crowd thronged
the route that his limousine took from the train station to Detroit’s
Olympic Station.

Referring to such discontented hordes, and the success of the various
police forces at keeping them at bay, President Hoover praised his
administration, stating, “Thank God we still have a government in
Washington that still knows how to deal with a mob.”

Facing incessant criticism from all sides, a beleaguered President
Herbert Hoover found his only solace and escape from the problems at
hand through fishing. Eighteen years later, on May 19, 1947, Herbert
Hoover affirms the comfort of that activity, stating that “[t]here are
only two occasions when Americans respect privacy, especially in
Presidents. Those are prayer and fishing.” To him, fishing is
sacred. He states, that the sport “is discipline in the equality of
men – for all men are equal before fish.”

The only answer to the ongoing and worsening situation nationally was
that of statism, and one that President Hoover refused to consider.
Statism is the belief or idea that the power and authority of the
state supersedes individual, group, and corporate authority of any
form. Statist ideals stress the importance of state intervention in
behalf of the rights of its citizenry, when situations emerge leading
to social and economic imbalances, such as the Great Depression.

The Democratic Presidential candidate was a patrician New York
attorney, Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882–1945). Pledging to bring
about a “New Deal” for the American people, though his plans for
national recovery appeared vague and unspecific, President Hoover
criticized his ideas as being a “radical departure” from all that was
deemed American. Having failed to resist social change, while at the
same time bringing the national economy down to new depths,
traditional conservatism took a back seat to liberal social reform
under the leadership of a new President, Franklin D. Roosevelt.



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The practice of welfare capitalism emerged shortly after the end of
World War One. It is based in a concept that stresses the role of the
paternalistic corporation in providing the needs and security of its
non-union, dependent and subordinate employees, while restricting the
independence, mobility, and abilities of these workers, to organize
themselves into unions at the same time.
Welfare capitalism ultimately failed to support such workers when the
Great Depression hit American society, thus, the policies of President
Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal transferred many worker protections
to the Federal government and initiated reforms helpful to the labor
unions, ending the first stage of twentieth-century welfare
capitalism.

During the post-World War Two period, welfare capitalism reemerged, as
American companies found ways to negate the effectiveness of unions
and negotiate greater control over labor, instilling at the same time,
a nation-wide social belief system that reduced worker expectations
relating to job benefits and security.
In contrast to welfare capitalism, the social and political ideology
of welfare socialism advocates a system where the government assumes
the responsibility for the general welfare of its people, including
education, employment health care, housing, social security, etc. This
is the system that the Depression-Era federal government was forced to
assume when business and private enterprise failed in its calling in
the late 1920s.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:25:09 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Bush wasn't wrong; he was deceitful.


Prove it.


It'll come out in the impeachment hearings.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:34:57 -0700, "gatt"
wrote in
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"Wal-Mart firmly believes in local procurement. We recognize that quality
products can generate more job opportunities, support local manufacturing
and boost economic development. Over 95% of the merchandise in our stores in
China is sourced locally."
http://www.wal-martchina.com/english/walmart/index.htm


They must be referring to the Wal-Mart stores located in China. :-)

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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I think you're thinking of president Hoover:


No, I was thinking of FDR.