Fuel Prices For The July Pilgrimage

"RST Engineering" wrote:

I'd like a consensus opinion from the newsgroup denizens who use any
of the popular "fuel pricing" websites as to the one that they find
the most accurate. My personal favorite over the last few years has
been Airnav, but I'm willing to be persuaded that there is better.

Reason being, about two months from today a lot of us will be coming a
long distance to The Money Hole On Lake Winnebago. My best estimate
right now is that it will cost slightly north of 1 AMU to pump the 182
from GOO to OSH and back. There are a lot of people from both coasts
who are going to spend at least a significant fraction of that and
possibly more.

Let's pick ONE site and keep it absolutely up to the minute current
from our local area at least through the week of The Show.

Jim

I know, I know. "consensus opinion" goes in the same sentence as
"herding cats".

AOPA has fuel pricing through Anywhere Map which has access costs of $30
per year... Gots to be an AOPA member too for the discount... Course
they get their data from: http://www.100ll.com

Golden Eagle Flight Prep has a link to fuel pricing (its a free download
from http://www.duats.com/cirrus.shtml or http://www.flightprep.com )
They link to AirNav for fuel pricing...

EAA is linked for fuel prices through here and made requests of the
membership to keep it current and list your favorites for flying to
Aventure 2007: http://map.aeroplanner.com/tools/fbomap.cfm Requires at
least a Premium subscription of $12.95 per month or $119.95 per year...
Also "rideshare" through he
http://www.airventure.org/rideshare/default.asp

So I really didn't find anything new... Maybe we need to list airports
within walking distance of mowgas and bring our fuel cans? ;-)

Darrel Toepfer wrote:

EAA is linked for fuel prices through here and made requests of the
membership to keep it current and list your favorites for flying to
Aventure 2007: http://map.aeroplanner.com/tools/fbomap.cfm

Mybad, even their free version includes access to FBO's and Fuel Prices...

"RST Engineering" wrote:

I'd like a consensus opinion from the newsgroup denizens who use any
of the popular "fuel pricing" websites as to the one that they find
the most accurate. My personal favorite over the last few years has
been Airnav, but I'm willing to be persuaded that there is better.

Got to put my two cents worth in here. A few years ago (2002) I used Airnav
to plan our trip to Oshkosh from the northwest, with stops in Washington DC,
New York, and Macinac Island. My thought was to use mogas where possible.

We left home and flew to Pullman in eastern Washington for the first fillup.
When we were passing 25 mi. north of Helena, MT, the engine quit - vapor
locked. Contributing factors were the high temperature (85 F @ 9500'), the
(I suspect) old mogas I bought in Pullman, and my fuel system design, having
the electric pump forward of the firewall and no forward-facing air scoops
on the tank vents.

Fortunately things cooled off on the glide down and I was able to effect a
restart as I was about to enter downwind for a soybean field; which would
likely have totaled the plane and possibly us as well. We flew in to Helena
and replaced the mogas with 100 LL.

I have since corrected the design deficiencies but I can't do anything about
the weather (no matter what ALgore says). One thing I can do is be very
careful as to when and where I burn mogas. I will not buy it from a source
which is unknown to me. This lets out every strange airport. I will not use
mogas on hot days nor at high altitudes.

Mogas burns clean and costs a buck or so less. 100 LL tends to foul my plugs
and costs more. My engine will run with two or three fouled plugs. It won't
run at all if it vapor locks. I've told this tale before and have gotten
used to the inevitable flaming. I'm *not* recommending that anyone use any
particular fuel. Fill it up with Dilithium crystals if you like. I'll spend
the extra buck for avgas when I head out over the Rockies for OSH.

YMMV

Rich S.

Rich S. wrote:
"RST Engineering" wrote:

I'd like a consensus opinion from the newsgroup denizens who use any
of the popular "fuel pricing" websites as to the one that they find
the most accurate. My personal favorite over the last few years has
been Airnav, but I'm willing to be persuaded that there is better.

Got to put my two cents worth in here. A few years ago (2002) I used
Airnav to plan our trip to Oshkosh from the northwest, with stops in
Washington DC, New York, and Macinac Island. My thought was to use
mogas where possible.

I think I found your problem. You went from the NW to OSH with stops in DC &
NY.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

I think I found your problem. You went from the NW to OSH with stops in DC
& NY.

I used cheap no-lead charts, too!

Rich S. wrote:

I have since corrected the design deficiencies but I can't do anything about
the weather (no matter what ALgore says). One thing I can do is be very
careful as to when and where I burn mogas. I will not buy it from a source
which is unknown to me. This lets out every strange airport. I will not use
mogas on hot days nor at high altitudes.

Why is mogas from an unknown source worse than avgas from an unknown source?

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Why is mogas from an unknown source worse than avgas from an unknown
source?

Although I cannot cite a reference, it has always been my belief that Avgas
is subject to tighter inspection procedures from the refinery to the
customer. Also, I think that Mogas is blended more specifically for seasonal
use. If the FBO is not selling a large quantity (compared to the size of his
tank) you may get Mogas that is several months old. This means it could be
blended inappropriately for the season - or simply be just old gas with less
volatiles and/or water from condensation.

Rich S.

On May 24, 11:44 am, "Rich S."
wrote:


We left home and flew to Pullman in eastern Washington for the first fillup.
When we were passing 25 mi. north of Helena, MT, the engine quit - vapor
locked. Contributing factors were the high temperature (85 F @ 9500'), the
(I suspect) old mogas I bought in Pullman, and my fuel system design, having
the electric pump forward of the firewall and no forward-facing air scoops
on the tank vents.

What model of the plane is this?

"M" wrote in message
oups.com...

What model of the plane is this?

CP-323a Emeraude, although the fuel system was of my own design and
construction. I have added a blast tube to cool the electric fuel pump and
an air scoop on the vents to pressurize the fuel tanks.

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/elwood89//harvey5.jpg

Rich S.

("Rich S." wrote)
CP-323a Emeraude, although the fuel system was of my own design and
construction. I have added a blast tube to cool the electric fuel pump and
an air scoop on the vents to pressurize the fuel tanks.

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/elwood89//harvey5.jpg


Nice pic


Montblack