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Martin Hotze wrote:


That's fine with me. I respect your right not to own a firearm if you
do not want to.


Great. Thanks. But wouldn't it just be fair of you as a bearer of a weapon
to inform me? Just so that I can make a decision staying or leaving?



Then in that case I might like you to inform me of the sorts of
possesions or pastimes you might have... after all, I might be
afraid or offended by one or more of them.


That's fine. But if you truly believe that having NO firearms makes
you and everyone eklse safer, how about posting a sign in front of your
home that states clearly: "This Home Contains NO Firearms."


That would just be the opposite of my example. Besides, here it is expected
to have no weapons around and it would be very unlikely to find weapons. So
to answer your question about the sign: I'd have no problem with such a
sign, but it would make no point because it is the norm to have no weapons
at all.


It is expected because your country does not have a constituion whish
affirms individual rights and restricting the rights of government.
A criminal, or someone intent upon fould play will be well aware of the
fact that most people are unarmed and thus be more confident of success.
Your country has, in effect, put out the sign for you.

Martin Hotze wrote:

But even in my office (business park with about 100 or so companies) it
isn't worse. I am working there now for about 10 years and have never heard
of (eg) a stolen car, robbery or any other crime.


The Soviet Union had a low crime rate.... but also had very little
personal freedom for the people. I believe I would rather have the
freedom than a gurantee of cradle to grave security. But that's me.

Jim Logajan wrote:

The U.K. has more crimes per capita than the U.S.!
And New Zealand has the second highest rate in the world!

Interesting. I have heard reports that crime rates have gone
up considerably in the UK since they have enacted a virtual
total gun ban.

This was not suprising, of coursem, since I am aware that
Washington DC has one of the highest crime rates of any
city in America and it has a total ban on firearms.

Jose wrote:


It is impossible to provide complete security in a free and open
society. And so long as data, discourse, and opinions are allowed to
freely pass through the borders, seeds will be planted here for citizens
to become terrorists too. It's a question of what you want to give up.


Well stated Sir. I will end this thread of discourse by quoting a
respected early American by the name of Patrick Henry who once
made the statement "give me liberty or give me death".

Would that we had such principled leaders in the world today.

On May 29, 1:23 am, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message

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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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chris wrote:
On May 28, 8:58 am, "Maxwell" wrote:
"Martin Hotze" wrote in message

m...

Maybe that's why our police don't kill people half as often - there's
almost no chance the guy behind the wheel has a gun, so no need to
shoot him if he comes at you???

It must suck to be in your country and be defenseless against criminals.

I have a better chance of winning the lottery than being killed by a gun
where I live. The UK had 58 deaths from guns in 2005/6, 25 from handguns
in a population of 60m.

I thought you said you had such strict gun control - how did you manage 58
killed?

BTW, you might know that the manner in which the UK keeps statistics is a
downright fraud.

And England had fewer gun killings when the had virtually ZERO gun control.

Go figure

Indeed, go figure. Go figure as well that Switzerland had even fewer deaths
than the UK and every home is REQURED to have guns.

Now, just because YOU have criminal tendencies doesn't mean every one else
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That's some other guy who also happens to be called Chris. He's
obviously from the UK, I am from NZ

"Neil Gould" wrote in message t...
Recently, Blueskies posted:


Yes, and the folks on 9/11 would have had a better chance if they
also we allowed to carry...

I can only imagine a different outcome that might have suited the
intentions of terrorists even better, as it would have still killed a
large number of people *and* taken a serious bite out of air travel from
that point on.

Neil


What?

"kontiki" wrote in message ...

Well, in case you haven't noticed... a good percentage of the world
supposedly *hates* the United States. (the reasons are varied and I
won't delve into them now).



I saw an interesting bumber sticker today...

"49% of americans agree with 99% of the world"

Martin Hotze wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:18:39 GMT, Jose wrote:

In a society where all the good people are known to be unarmed,
criminals have a field day.

... and still we have such a low crime-rate ... hmmm. I bet that even some
of the houses in my neighborhood are not locked ...

Where are you?

Jim Logajan wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
The US is on this list, but the UK is now 3rd in the world. So, tell
me again how great things are in the UK...

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...e-total-crimes

Matt, this graph provides a better view since it is normalized per capita:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...mes-per-capita

The U.K. has more crimes per capita than the U.S.!
And New Zealand has the second highest rate in the world!

Thanks, Jim, that is a much better representation. OK, Chris, your
turn. :-)

Matt

kontiki wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:

The U.K. has more crimes per capita than the U.S.!
And New Zealand has the second highest rate in the world!

Interesting. I have heard reports that crime rates have gone
up considerably in the UK since they have enacted a virtual
total gun ban.

This was not suprising, of coursem, since I am aware that
Washington DC has one of the highest crime rates of any
city in America and it has a total ban on firearms.

Yes, this is often the case, but not always. Obviously, crime is a
complicated issue and isn't affected by any one thing. Crime in Japan
is relatively low also, but I read an interesting article a few years
back concerning their police "interrogation" techniques. It explained
why they have a very high rate of "confessions" and a low crime rate.
When the police use tactics such as that, even innocent people confess
as that is easier than suffering further "interrogation."


Matt