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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 23:32:08 GMT, kontiki wrote:

Can you travel to Cuba? *g*


Oh I can't wait for my chance to visit the 'workers paradise'.

but are you *FREE* to go there?

Do I like that we've had this stupic embargo with Cuba all these
years? No... but have I wanted to go there? No. There are many
other countries in the Caribbean with better facilities to visit.

I agree, but still: my point stays. And you haven't said a word about what
freedoms we're missing. Cuba was really just a (funny) sidenote.

#m
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This may not be important to you Martin, but how about the freedom of
interstate travel without having to show papers identifying yourself? I
realize that the United States is far greater in land mass than your
country, but given the tendency for the European politicos to promote a
United Europe, I find the border crossings still quite interesting.

I'm not that familiar with your culture as you are similarly not that
familiar with mine, so I'm sure there are freedoms or rights that both of us
are overlooking.

You do happen to live in one of the more progressive nation states in
Europe, but that crap about being neutral is wearing very thin. Neutrality
is just another word for "too damn self-centered" to get involved in global
politics or to give a damn about other human beings outside your borders who
are badly treated.

I find it interesting that neutrality usually ends at your front gate.

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas

but given the tendency for the European politicos to promote a
United Europe, I find the border crossings still quite interesting.

In all fairness, Europe is made up of different =countries=. The United
States is all one country. I expect border crossing between Spain and
Portugal to be different than from Connecticut to Rhode Island.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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but given the tendency for the European politicos to promote a United
Europe, I find the border crossings still quite interesting.

In all fairness, Europe is made up of different =countries=. The United
States is all one country. I expect border crossing between Spain and
Portugal to be different than from Connecticut to Rhode Island.

Jose
--

Jose,
that's the way you and I understood it to be since ... forever. But when
I was in Germany awhile back the political powers were all squawking about
how a United Europe was going to stand as a peer to the United States in
technology, medicine, financial power, and a load of other crap. We don't
really hear about that here in the US and maybe I just happened to be there
during a time when the topic was very "newsworthy". Nevertheless, if Europe
wants to claim its united status (as they are attempting to do with the
Euro) then let's measure them by the same yardstick.



--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas

Nevertheless, if Europe wants to claim its
united status (as they are attempting to do with the
Euro) then let's measure them by the same yardstick.

Talk is talk. It's one thing to link one's currencies together (and
after that, changing the name is only symbolic). It's quite another
thing to link one's constitutions together, and surrender one's
soveriginity. I don't see that happening. I don't even see noises in
that direction.

When you were in Germany, were the German political powers talking about
living under France's rules, or Spain's?

Jose
--
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to
know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when
they push the button.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Sovereignty- sch'movereignty. The only sovereignty anymore is cash (hmm..
sovereigns). Political borders are increasingly illusions.
That's what this ridiculous adventure in Iraq is all about.
One purpose is to make a small cadre of goons a SHYTELOAD of cash.
Another is to control oil reserves in the region as leverage against emerging
European and Chinese commercial markets.
The first task is to confuse and distract the populace with increasingly
meaningless drivel/propaganda called "News". You know, the crap they stick
between TV commercials.
Next, consolidate print media into the hands of another small cadre of goons
to hamfist occasional threads of truth into spin that looks like an Orwellian
acid trip.

Then package a proposition for illegal invasion in a simple package fit for a
sheep's sensorium, wrap tightly in the word "Terrorism, Terrorism, Terrorism"
(and repeat ad nauseum), execute proposed invasion against basic sense and
many international laws/treaties.


Stir vigorously.

pour into a chilled glass and enjoy.


gaaah...stop me before I get carried away.



Jose wrote:


Talk is talk. It's one thing to link one's currencies together (and
after that, changing the name is only symbolic). It's quite another
thing to link one's constitutions together, and surrender one's
soveriginity. I don't see that happening. I don't even see noises in
that direction.



Jose

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Sovereignty- sch'movereignty. The only sovereignty anymore is cash (hmm..
sovereigns). Political borders are increasingly illusions.

They always were. Adam Smith made many points about it 230 years ago.

Matt Barrow wrote:
Sovereignty- sch'movereignty. The only sovereignty anymore is cash (hmm..
sovereigns). Political borders are increasingly illusions.

They always were. Adam Smith made many points about it 230 years ago.

Yep, bears repeating, I say.

Good news about the partial property recoveries. Here's to a successful
execution o' them warrants.

Good luck, Vic.

I'm 10-10 un da side.

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Jose schrieb:

but given the tendency for the European politicos to promote a
United Europe, I find the border crossings still quite interesting.

In all fairness, Europe is made up of different =countries=. The United
States is all one country. I expect border crossing between Spain and
Portugal to be different than from Connecticut to Rhode Island.

but the good thing is that there is almost no difference.

Jose


#m
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I am not a terrorist http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

Jim Carter schrieb:

This may not be important to you Martin, but how about the freedom of
interstate travel without having to show papers identifying yourself? I


what have you to do when traveling from state to state (not from AZ to
CA), but from the USA to Canada or Mexico? In different scales this
would be like tracelling from Salzburg to Tirol (both are states [with
less rights than your states; ours are more counties, IMHO]. For su
your nation is way bigger than ours, but we can travel in different
sovereign countries (!) without showing a passport.

realize that the United States is far greater in land mass than your
country, but given the tendency for the European politicos to promote a
United Europe, I find the border crossings still quite interesting.


the European Union consists of sovereign nations.


You do happen to live in one of the more progressive nation states in
Europe, but that crap about being neutral is wearing very thin. Neutrality
is just another word for "too damn self-centered" to get involved in global
politics or to give a damn about other human beings outside your borders who
are badly treated.

I find it interesting that neutrality usually ends at your front gate.


Given our history and the development from after the end of WWII I
strongly believe that this was the only way to regain our nation.

#m
--
I am not a terrorist http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 23:32:08 GMT, kontiki wrote:

Can you travel to Cuba? *g*


Oh I can't wait for my chance to visit the 'workers paradise'.

but are you *FREE* to go there?

Do I like that we've had this stupic embargo with Cuba all these
years? No... but have I wanted to go there? No. There are many
other countries in the Caribbean with better facilities to visit.

I agree, but still: my point stays. And you haven't said a word about
what
freedoms we're missing. Cuba was really just a (funny) sidenote.

#m
--
I am not a terrorist. http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

This may not be important to you Martin, but how about the freedom of
interstate travel without having to show papers identifying yourself? I
realize that the United States is far greater in land mass than your
country, but given the tendency for the European politicos to promote a
United Europe, I find the border crossings still quite interesting.

I'm not that familiar with your culture as you are similarly not that
familiar with mine, so I'm sure there are freedoms or rights that both of
us are overlooking.

You do happen to live in one of the more progressive nation states in
Europe, but that crap about being neutral is wearing very thin. Neutrality
is just another word for "too damn self-centered" to get involved in
global politics or to give a damn about other human beings outside your
borders who are badly treated.

I find it interesting that neutrality usually ends at your front gate.

Come off it. The majority of Americans know nothing of what's going on
outside their borders -hell only about 10% have a passport. How much foreign
news is there in the average American newspaper? Naff all.

This crap about human beings being treated badly outside the borders is just
that. If there are US interests at stake like oil (Iraq) then you are
interested in human rights. If It in the US interest not to care they don't
(Chile - Pinochet). What about the human rights then.

You guys - you just kill me with the one eyed view of the world. The only
thing the US cares about is its own interests and that has been the bye word
of its foreign policy. Give us a break from the bull**** on spreading
democracy and freedom.