Coordinated turns without rudder, and autopilots

So in theory I should be able to turn myself with ailerons only in the same
way, without the need to use the rudder to stay coordinated. What's the
secret? Each time I try to turn at the same rate that the AP manages, I have
to use the rudder to stay coordinated.


As Maxwell observes, this may just be a simulator limitation. In
actuality, a small amount of rudder should be applied when initiating
and recovering from a turn, but once in a constant bank turn, the
aircraft will normally be in coordinated flight without rudder
application.

Paul kgyy writes:

As Maxwell observes, this may just be a simulator limitation. In
actuality, a small amount of rudder should be applied when initiating
and recovering from a turn, but once in a constant bank turn, the
aircraft will normally be in coordinated flight without rudder
application.

But the autopilot has no control over the rudder, and yet the turn is
coordinated. What is it doing to make this possible?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Paul kgyy writes:

As Maxwell observes, this may just be a simulator limitation. In
actuality, a small amount of rudder should be applied when initiating
and recovering from a turn, but once in a constant bank turn, the
aircraft will normally be in coordinated flight without rudder
application.

But the autopilot has no control over the rudder, and yet the turn is
coordinated. What is it doing to make this possible?


Your mental condition, apparently.


Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Paul kgyy writes:

As Maxwell observes, this may just be a simulator limitation. In
actuality, a small amount of rudder should be applied when initiating
and recovering from a turn, but once in a constant bank turn, the
aircraft will normally be in coordinated flight without rudder
application.

But the autopilot has no control over the rudder, and yet the turn is
coordinated. What is it doing to make this possible?

Nothing, the turns are not perfectly coordinated, they don't have to be.

Maxwell writes:

Nothing, the turns are not perfectly coordinated, they don't have to be.

The ball hardly moves. It moves a lot more if I attempt to roll into a turn
myself without using the rudder. Why?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Maxwell writes:

Nothing, the turns are not perfectly coordinated, they don't have to be.

The ball hardly moves. It moves a lot more if I attempt to roll into a
turn
myself without using the rudder. Why?

HELLO!!! YOU'RE FLYING A DESK YOU MORON!!!!

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Maxwell writes:

Nothing, the turns are not perfectly coordinated, they don't have to
be.

The ball hardly moves.

There's no ball, there's no ruddrr. there's no airplane, fjukkwit.

it's a computer..


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Paul kgyy writes:

As others have posted, most lightplane autopilots don't adjust the
rudder for adverse yaw when turning, so you do get a few seconds of
slightly uncoordinated flight. However at normal cruise speeds this
creates no hazard or discomfort.

So in theory I should be able to turn myself with ailerons only in the
same way, without the need to use the rudder to stay coordinated.
What's the secret? Each time I try to turn at the same rate that the
AP manages, I have to use the rudder to stay coordinated.

If flying close to stall, the autopilot should be turned off even for
straight and level flight. If the airplane is on the verge of
stalling and starts to turn because of engine p-factor or any other
reason, the autopilot will attempt to correct with aileron. This may
actually induce stall on one wing, producing sudden wing drop and a
potential spin.

I have an aversion to stalls and I usually stay well away from them.

You're an idiot. You can't stall a computer, fjukkwit.

you can't fly a computer!


Asshole.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


You're an idiot. You can't stall a computer, fjukkwit.


Oh, I don't know about that, I bet he could.

Mxsmanic wrote:

So in theory I should be able to turn myself with ailerons only in the same
way, without the need to use the rudder to stay coordinated. What's the
secret? Each time I try to turn at the same rate that the AP manages, I have
to use the rudder to stay coordinated.

That's your simulator.

Moron.

Either go out and do it, or stfu