Coordinated turns without rudder, and autopilots

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques writes:

Rudder use to acheive the objective of keeping the tail lined up with the
nose can accurately be said to be relative to aircraft type and airspeed.
You need a fair amount of rudder to handle yawfor example in a typical
light
general aviation type airplane to execute a coordinated turn entry and
exit.

So how does the autopilot do it? As far as I understand, autopilots in
small
aircraft don't generally have control over the rudder, and yet they can
execute coordinated turns.

What in the world makes you think that an autopilot can make a "coordinated"
turn without using the rudder if a pilot can't? That's complete and utter
nonsense.

If you have "observed" this then, either A) Your simulation falls a bit
short in terms of simulating how the simulated autopilot works - I assume
it's easier to program a simulated autopilot without adding the "make it
appear un-coordinated" feature. Or, B) You only think that the autopilot
does a much better job than a pilot does - perhaps you are a bit ham-fisted
with your simulation - without ever being in in airplane, it would be easy
to not realize what you are doing given the lack of feedback and the fact
that no one has ever "flown" with you - I find that I "overcontrol" when
flying a sim...

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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com writes:

What in the world makes you think that an autopilot can make a "coordinated"
turn without using the rudder if a pilot can't?

Presumably a pilot can; I want to know how. And nobody has been able to tell
me thus far.

If you have "observed" this then, either A) Your simulation falls a bit
short in terms of simulating how the simulated autopilot works - I assume
it's easier to program a simulated autopilot without adding the "make it
appear un-coordinated" feature. Or, B) You only think that the autopilot
does a much better job than a pilot does - perhaps you are a bit ham-fisted
with your simulation - without ever being in in airplane, it would be easy
to not realize what you are doing given the lack of feedback and the fact
that no one has ever "flown" with you - I find that I "overcontrol" when
flying a sim...

Or (C) nobody here has a clue and nobody wants to admit it, even though their
argument among themselves makes it obvious.

Do you know how it's done, or don't you?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com writes:

What in the world makes you think that an autopilot can make a
"coordinated"
turn without using the rudder if a pilot can't?

Presumably a pilot can; I want to know how. And nobody has been able to
tell
me thus far.

If you have "observed" this then, either A) Your simulation falls a bit
short in terms of simulating how the simulated autopilot works - I assume
it's easier to program a simulated autopilot without adding the "make it
appear un-coordinated" feature. Or, B) You only think that the autopilot
does a much better job than a pilot does - perhaps you are a bit
ham-fisted
with your simulation - without ever being in in airplane, it would be
easy
to not realize what you are doing given the lack of feedback and the fact
that no one has ever "flown" with you - I find that I "overcontrol" when
flying a sim...

Or (C) nobody here has a clue and nobody wants to admit it, even though
their
argument among themselves makes it obvious.

Do you know how it's done, or don't you?

BS, you're just trying to fuel the nit fest.

Mxsmanic wrote:
"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com writes:

What in the world makes you think that an autopilot can make a "coordinated"
turn without using the rudder if a pilot can't?

Presumably a pilot can; I want to know how. And nobody has been able to tell
me thus far.

If you have "observed" this then, either A) Your simulation falls a bit
short in terms of simulating how the simulated autopilot works - I assume
it's easier to program a simulated autopilot without adding the "make it
appear un-coordinated" feature. Or, B) You only think that the autopilot
does a much better job than a pilot does - perhaps you are a bit ham-fisted
with your simulation - without ever being in in airplane, it would be easy
to not realize what you are doing given the lack of feedback and the fact
that no one has ever "flown" with you - I find that I "overcontrol" when
flying a sim...

Or (C) nobody here has a clue and nobody wants to admit it, even though their
argument among themselves makes it obvious.

Do you know how it's done, or don't you?
Or D: Nobody wants to answer your question.

John Theune writes:

Or D: Nobody wants to answer your question.

Rest assured, if some of the most vocal posters here actually knew the correct
answer, their egos would compel them to immediately provide it for all to see.
It's much more satisfying to such people to post a correct answer than it is
for them to pretend they have the answer and just don't want to reveal it.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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John Theune writes:

Or D: Nobody wants to answer your question.

Rest assured, if some of the most vocal posters here actually knew the
correct
answer, their egos would compel them to immediately provide it for all to
see.
It's much more satisfying to such people to post a correct answer than it
is
for them to pretend they have the answer and just don't want to reveal it.

They you go, appeal to their egos!

Mxsmanic wrote in
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John Theune writes:

Or D: Nobody wants to answer your question.

Rest assured, if some of the most vocal posters here actually knew the
correct answer, their egos would compel them to immediately provide it
for all to see.

Nope, I know and i'm not going to tell you because it would be a wast e of
time, wheras i get a great deal of enjoyment form calling you a fjukkwit.

Besides, some have actualy posted the correect answer and because of your
autistic view of the world you can't see it.

Fjukkwit.




Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
John Theune writes:

Or D: Nobody wants to answer your question.

Rest assured, if some of the most vocal posters here actually knew the correct
answer, their egos would compel them to immediately provide it for all to see.
It's much more satisfying to such people to post a correct answer than it is
for them to pretend they have the answer and just don't want to reveal it.

Or most posters have decided that you are such an arrogant, self-righteous,
nit-picking, trolling, whinny, thick-headed, obnoxious snot you can
go **** up a rope.

--
Jim Pennino

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jesus...this is a bizarre thread.
I have never seen a troller so well fed.

wrote:
Or D: Nobody wants to answer your question.

Rest assured, if some of the most vocal posters here actually knew the correct
answer, their egos would compel them to immediately provide it for all to see.
It's much more satisfying to such people to post a correct answer than it is
for them to pretend they have the answer and just don't want to reveal it.

Or most posters have decided that you are such an arrogant, self-righteous,
nit-picking, trolling, whinny, thick-headed, obnoxious snot you can
go **** up a rope.


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Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
jesus...this is a bizarre thread.
I have never seen a troller so well fed.


EXACTLY what I was thinking - f**king unbelievable............

Mx must be exalted at his triumphant return after laying low several days
setting up his prey...

d:-))