Coordinated turns without rudder, and autopilots

wrote in message
ups.com...
You have two choices: Either the simulator's
right, all the real pilots and real planes are
wrong, and there is some unexplainable
magic that allows the autopilot to maintain
coordination in a situation where rudder input
is required but not available, or else there's
no magic, real planes behave the way
real planes are observed to behave, and
the simulator is wrong on this particular
point.

NOW you've done it!!!! You've gone and spoiled my whole day.
You mean it's NOT magic?
Damn!!!! :-))))
Dudley Henriques

Snowbird writes:

All, to a lesser or higher degree.

Then it is also inevitably true that all aspects are accurate, to a greater or
lesser degree. Of course, neither statement communicates much of real
utility.

Show me scientific proof.

How does one provide scientific proof of the self-evident?

A perfect measurement of a real-world random contour will always be perfect.
A mathematical recreation will always be an approximation.

Viperdoc writes:

Well figure it out- you've been wasting all of this bandwith stating that
MSFS does a coordinated turn with the AP, and now you're saying that the
ball is not centered when you make a turn?

Not perfectly centered, but more so than it is when I try it, it seems.

The simulation is grossly inaccurate in many aspects, and I have tried it
extensively.

With the default Baron?

It's main value may be to practice instrument approach
procedures, but the flight model, inability to recreate the "feel" of
flying, are lacking, which is no surprise since it is not a multimillion
dollar full motion sim.

Full-motion sims have drawbacks, too.

The Extra model is pathetically weak- the roll rate, stall characteristics,
ability to spin and tumble are non existent.

I don't think the Extra model is intended to be serious, any more than the
Wright Flyer.

writes:

But you're watching the ball in a simulator. What's that
got to do with ANY claim about a real life GA plane?

The former is a simulation of the latter.

The degree of uncoordination varies from one
plane to the next, but at least in cruise, it's
normally not enough to matter too much. In
those planes where the AP can't control the
rudder, the decision was made that the
lack of coordination is not severe enough
to justify the extra expense and weight
penalty of giving the AP control over the
rudder.

Can you feel the lack of coordination when the AP turns the aircraft?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Snowbird writes:

All, to a lesser or higher degree.

Then it is also inevitably true that all aspects are accurate, to a
greater or lesser degree. Of course, neither statement communicates
much of real utility.

Show me scientific proof.

How does one provide scientific proof of the self-evident?

Whoosh.


Do you even hear it as it whistles over your head, fjukktard?


bertie

Nomen Nescio writes:

Answer.....or shut the **** up.

No.

Nomen Nescio wrote:
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From: Mxsmanic

And the Baron I fly wasn't created by Microsoft.

Well, there's your answer, dip****.
Ask the person who created your "Baron" why the autopilot does
not accurately simulate reality.

Get a clue, ****head.
Real plane always behave "real".
Real autopilots always behave "real".
Software always performs the way someone wrote it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go fly my intergalactic
battle cruiser to the 4th star on Orion's belt.

Damn. I did my 25 hour inspection and oil change
last night. I actually found having my hands in
*real* motor oil out of my *real* plane more enjoyable
than reading about Mx's simulated Baron and simulated AP.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

writes:

But you're watching the ball in a simulator. What's that
got to do with ANY claim about a real life GA plane?

The former is a simulation of the latter.

The degree of uncoordination varies from one
plane to the next, but at least in cruise, it's
normally not enough to matter too much. In
those planes where the AP can't control the
rudder, the decision was made that the
lack of coordination is not severe enough
to justify the extra expense and weight
penalty of giving the AP control over the
rudder.

Can you feel the lack of coordination when the AP turns the aircraft?

Yes, but you couldn't.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
news
Nomen Nescio writes:

Answer.....or shut the **** up.

No.


Aww. The fjukktard takes a stand., So kewt.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Viperdoc writes:

Well figure it out- you've been wasting all of this bandwith stating
that MSFS does a coordinated turn with the AP, and now you're saying
that the ball is not centered when you make a turn?

Not perfectly centered, but more so than it is when I try it, it
seems.

That's cause you can't fly and you never will.


Bertie