Do I have to file?

"Dave S" wrote in message
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To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?

steve

smf wrote:
"Dave S" wrote in message
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To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?

You file an abbreviated plan with ATC...the first part of
the rule for IFR plans says "Unless authorized by ATC..."

"smf" wrote in message
.. .

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?


Immediately following "information required" in FAR 91.169(a).

smf wrote:
"Dave S" wrote in message
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To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.


Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?

steve



By radio.

If you get a popup clearance from ATC.. the controller/specialist is
entering your information into the computer, and requires much if not
all the same information as if you filed on the phone.

Call sign, type/identifier, /whatever .. souls on board, etc. Point of
origin tends to be where you are at, even if airborne.

You are filing a flight plan by radio.

Dave S wrote:



If you get a popup clearance from ATC.. the controller/specialist is
entering your information into the computer, and requires much if not
all the same information as if you filed on the phone.

Call sign, type/identifier, /whatever .. souls on board, etc. Point of
origin tends to be where you are at, even if airborne.

ATC does not care about alternates, souls on board, fuel on board, etc.
We want equipment suffix, altitude and route. I'll make up a speed as
I type it in.