GA Flying Down 20%

But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.

You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Jun 5, 5:30 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.

You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.

Next week I'm going there, if I can find a rental I'll report what the
costs are.

-Kees

wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:30 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.
You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.

Next week I'm going there, if I can find a rental I'll report what the
costs are.

Why would finding a rental be hard in a GA friendly country?

Matt

On Jun 5, 12:02 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:30 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.
You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.

Next week I'm going there, if I can find a rental I'll report what the
costs are.

Why would finding a rental be hard in a GA friendly country?

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Most rentals in France are club aircraft, for members only.
They do that to keep cost and (as I understand) paperwork down.

It is not difficult to find a rental but to avoid the introduction fee
or contribution to become a club member first.

-Kees

wrote:
On Jun 5, 12:02 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:30 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.
You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.
Next week I'm going there, if I can find a rental I'll report what the
costs are.
Why would finding a rental be hard in a GA friendly country?

Matt- Hide quoted text -

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Most rentals in France are club aircraft, for members only.
They do that to keep cost and (as I understand) paperwork down.

It is not difficult to find a rental but to avoid the introduction fee
or contribution to become a club member first.

That doesn't sound like a cheap way to fly ... back to Jay's original
point. What is a typical club fee to join? My flying club is around
$200 to join and the airplane requires a lengthy check-out. Joining
temporarily as an alternative to true renting would not be convenient,
quick or inexpensive.

Matt

On Jun 6, 1:05 am, Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 5, 12:02 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:30 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.
You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.
Next week I'm going there, if I can find a rental I'll report what the
costs are.
Why would finding a rental be hard in a GA friendly country?

Matt- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Most rentals in France are club aircraft, for members only.
They do that to keep cost and (as I understand) paperwork down.

It is not difficult to find a rental but to avoid the introduction fee
or contribution to become a club member first.

That doesn't sound like a cheap way to fly ... back to Jay's original
point. What is a typical club fee to join? My flying club is around
$200 to join and the airplane requires a lengthy check-out. Joining
temporarily as an alternative to true renting would not be convenient,
quick or inexpensive.

Matt- Hide quoted text -

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About the same but +100 , depending on age.
Under 17 most French clubs( at least the ones I checked) give a
discount of about 60%.
Nice way to get young people into aviation.

-Kees

writes:

Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.

It's painfully expensive compared to flying in the U.S., and the U.S. isn't
cheap.

Jay,

You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?


The original statement was:

"France as a whole isn't very favorable
to GA; it was early to enter the aviation field but today many
obstacles make
it extremely difficult to fly for fun in the country."

That's just not true by any kind of measure. France is EXTREMELY
favorable to GA. And it is very easy to fly for fun in the country. It
is more expensive than the US, but compared to many other countries in
Europe, France is doing very well in GA. MX has no idea what he is
talking about (so what else is new?). I have no idea what you base your
view on, either.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Jun 5, 9:43 am, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
Jay,

You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?

The original statement was:

"France as a whole isn't very favorable
to GA; it was early to enter the aviation field but today many
obstacles make
it extremely difficult to fly for fun in the country."

That's just not true by any kind of measure. France is EXTREMELY
favorable to GA. And it is very easy to fly for fun in the country. It
is more expensive than the US, but compared to many other countries in
Europe, France is doing very well in GA. MX has no idea what he is
talking about (so what else is new?). I have no idea what you base your
view on, either.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

I think that Jay is a bit frustrated that his European tour by plane
is very likely not going to happen.
When he finds out what driving costs overhere he and his family
probably end up doing 6000+km in a Fiat Panda or something
similar. ;-)

-Kees.

PS. Have you ever been to Rugen or surroundings? I'm planning to go
there late September for a weekend.
The pireps from eddh makes it look like a nice destination but I do
not know what to expect in the area.

PS. Have you ever been to Rugen or surroundings? I'm planning to go
there late September for a weekend.


Highly recommended! Great area to fly over, great area to be at. You'll
need a rental car to get around on the ground, however. Do a ferry trip
to the little island of Hiddensee!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)