Gliders in the Grand Canyon

RomeoMike wrote in
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Marble Canyon airport sits above the part of the Grand Canyon known as
Marble Canyon, but it's not in the Park Boundary or down in the
Canyon. Cliff Dwellers is nearby. Bar Ten is in Whitmore Canyon,
which feeds into Grand Canyon from the north. Helicopters bring
rafters out of the canyon up to Bar Ten to be flown out to Vegas.
Tuweep (aka Tuweap) is just north of the Park Boundary in Tuweep
Valley. It is a dirt/clay strip that used to be used to fly rafters
and supplies to the river.

John Theune wrote:


Marble Canyon
Cliff Dweller's Lodge Tuweep Grand Canyon Bar Ten
Marble Canyon is about 45 miles away from the Grand Canyon in Marble
Canyon Cliff Dweller's Lodge is also in Marble Canyon about 40 miles
from Grand Canyon
Tuweep Cannot find anything about this one, maybe it's a made up one
in MSFS
Grand Canyon Bar Ten is also outside of the Grand Canyon area about
56 miles west of Grand Canyon airport ( which is also not in the
canyon but rather on the rim to the south of the canyon.

There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months ago
at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at the top
of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too lazy to try
and look anything up. If he had, he would have also noticed that the
pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon Bar Ten also show them
at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

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Marty Shapiro writes:

There is a real nice picture of Marble Canyon taken about 3 months ago
at http://airnav.com/airport/L41 It clearly shows the airport at the top
of the canyon, not in the canyon. Of course, MXmoron is too lazy to try
and look anything up. If he had, he would have also noticed that the
pictures of Cliff Dweller's Lodge and Grand Canyon Bar Ten also show them
at the top of the canyon, not in the canyon.

I looked it all up. On a topographic map it is clear that these are all in
the canyon. And if you look closely you'll see that the canyon is about 2000
feet deep where these airports sit.

You see, this is why no one wants to engage you. You are either stupid
or a troll for sure. I have the USGS 'Navajo Bridge Quad.' 7.5'
topographic map in front of me. It clearly shows Marble Canyon airport
ABOVE the canyon. To the northwest are the Vermilion Cliffs, which have
nothing to do with the Grand Canyon. I have the appropriate topos for
the Tuweep and Bar Ten areas as well, but what's the use.

Mxsmanic wrote:


I looked it all up. On a topographic map it is clear that these are all in
the canyon. And if you look closely you'll see that the canyon is about 2000
feet deep where these airports sit.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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I looked it all up. On a topographic map it is clear that these are
all in the canyon. And if you look closely you'll see that the canyon
is about 2000 feet deep where these airports sit.

Bull. If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep
(L50) has been closed.

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Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Marty Shapiro writes:

If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep
(L50) has been closed.

It's marked as open on the current chart.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Marty Shapiro writes:

If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep
(L50) has been closed.

It's marked as open on the current chart.


You're an idiot

Bertie

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:

If you had looked it all up you would have known that Tuweep
(L50) has been closed.

It's marked as open on the current chart.

You, and your charts are wrong. From the Arizona Dept. of
Transportation:

http://www.azdot.gov/aviation/airpor...st.asp?FAA=L50

It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any
sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your
beloved Skyvector.com. Like told many times before, get your facts
straight before shooting off your mouth.

Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are
and how much of a fool you can be.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

You, and your charts are wrong.

They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government. Surely
you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA?

It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any
sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your
beloved Skyvector.com.

It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August), and on
the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular cycles), at N
36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps, and various pilots
have put pictures of it on the Web.

In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me to lend
any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like saying there's no
such place as Los Angeles.

Like told many times before, get your facts
straight before shooting off your mouth.

Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are
and how much of a fool you can be.

Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and who is
wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly that.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

You, and your charts are wrong.

They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government.
Surely you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA?

It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any
sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your
beloved Skyvector.com.

It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August),
and on the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular
cycles), at N 36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps,
and various pilots have put pictures of it on the Web.

In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me
to lend any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like
saying there's no such place as Los Angeles.

Like told many times before, get your facts
straight before shooting off your mouth.

Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are
and how much of a fool you can be.

Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and
who is wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly
that.


Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does
one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6
months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport
that the airport is still really operational as an airport? Only you, play
pilot, are that stupid.

The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon
chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would
believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there.

Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal
government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle? Newsflash asshole
- Tuweep isn't there anymore. This is from the federal government's NACO
web site which lists all airports in any selected state. No Tuweep or L50.


The federal goverment does maintain, online, a current data base of
airports. Tuweep is NOT there. The Arizona Department of Transportation
used to maintain Tuweep. Their web pages lists the airport as closed. Only
a moronic buttwipe like you would bleat "it's on the chart which hasn't
expired, its got to be there."

The AOPA, which has a vested interest in maintining up-to-date
information for pilots, no longer shows Tuweep or L50. Do you have some
inside knowledge on Tuweep which neither the federal goverment, the AOPA,
or the Arizona DOT posses? If so, please tell us the source. You
obviously don't have a clue on how to properly inform yourself of all
factors which could affect your flight. That's right. Your not a pilot.
Your not even a competent play pilot.

Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is
accepted. Try getting an area weather briefing for L50. The weather
service knows nothing about L50 any more.

Did you search the NOTAM file to see if L50 still exists? Did you
know that this is where changes are documented until the next chart cycle?
If you did, why didn't you check it? If you didn't, why did you shoot your
stupid mouth off and try to claim that Tuweep is still there? Is it your
goal in life to subtract from the sum total of human knowledge?

Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****.

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Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

You, and your charts are wrong.

They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government. Surely
you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA?

So your charts are the only ones that are right, and the
Arizona state government is wrong? You are delusional, Anthony. Next,
I'll suppose you want to believe you're right, and the state law is
wrong? If so, we'll see you on the next episode of COPS: Paris.

It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any
sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your
beloved Skyvector.com.

It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August), and on
the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular cycles), at N
36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps, and various pilots
have put pictures of it on the Web.

Show me at NACO, MyAirplane, or anyplace where a current A/FD
exists that has L50.

In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me to lend
any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like saying there's no
such place as Los Angeles.

Like told many times before, get your facts
straight before shooting off your mouth.

Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are
and how much of a fool you can be.

Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and who is
wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly that.

We have. You're wrong, and a bloody idiot for not seeing it.

Oh wait.. Dilbert Rule still applies, doesn't it?

BL.
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