ACLU sues Jeppesen for Flights

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Normally I don't have a problem with the intent of the ACLU...they
champion the underdogs that most people hate, simply because some
underdog someday might be worthy of a champion. (The civil rights
movement comes to mind.)

Absolute BULL****.

Okay. I guess we're done here.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Yet never once have they defended the 2nd amendment.

Against what?

Laws passed that have attacked the right it was written to protect, you
idiot.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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"Majority power is limited by the Constitution's Bill of Rights, which
consists of the original ten amendments ratified in 1791, plus the three
post-Civil War amendments (the 13th, 14th and 15th) and the 19th Amendment
(women's suffrage), adopted in 1920."
Yet never once have they defended the 2nd amendment.

That's interesting.

On the other hand, they had a part in Brown v. Board of Education and bans
on interracial marriage. I don't know about you, but most of the people I
know including myself own all the guns they want; one friend owns a licensed
BAR, another owns a Sten and an MP-40. Another guy, who owns Fairly Honest
Don's Machine Gun Parlor, has an M-60 mounted on the back of an old surplus
jeep.

I prefer not to talk about my gun collection, but let's just say I haven't
needed the ACLU and I've thrown a whole hell of a lot of 7.62x39 downrange
on many occasions including those where law enforcement was also present.

-c

Robert Barker wrote:
hold Jeppesen responsible for running a torture chamber too.

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Perhaps they're using this suit to get information under "discovery" to find
out what the CIA is really up to. Then when they get the info, they'll drop
the suit and go after the real perps...

This current administration has been consistently expanding the power of the
executive thru a bizarre flurry of signing statements and other policy
decisions that severely threaten our rights under the constitution. It is
chilling to think Bush is applying his own interpretations to presented
legislation. A weaker mind / character in the presidency has never been.
It is agreed in most rational and civilized frames of belief that kidnapping
and torture are unacceptable. This is a simple moral issue. However, the
criminal constituency of our current administration has run amok under an
hysterical cry of "the war on terror". BULL****... kidnapping and torture is
terrorism.
If you believe that it is OK to torture other humans for reasons you think
are appropriate, remember that the same inquisitors will use similar methods
of logic to single you out for extermination when they are ready. The
continuing erosion of our civil rights are setting the stage for that
eventuality.

The ACLU is seeking discovery thru the channels that are most likely to
produce.

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Which is emblematic of their origins, and their original (and even today)
purpose.

I suspect you DO know what they were, don't you?

Oh jesus, you're not going to start spouting "Red Scare" crap are you?
Spare us. Communism (on a large scale) is dead.

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gatt wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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"Majority power is limited by the Constitution's Bill of Rights,
which consists of the original ten amendments ratified in 1791, plus
the three post-Civil War amendments (the 13th, 14th and 15th) and
the 19th Amendment (women's suffrage), adopted in 1920."
Yet never once have they defended the 2nd amendment.

That's interesting.

On the other hand, they had a part in Brown v. Board of Education and
bans on interracial marriage. I don't know about you, but most of
the people I know including myself own all the guns they want; one
friend owns a licensed BAR, another owns a Sten and an MP-40. Another
guy, who owns Fairly Honest Don's Machine Gun Parlor, has an M-60
mounted on the back of an old surplus jeep.

I prefer not to talk about my gun collection, but let's just say I
haven't needed the ACLU and I've thrown a whole hell of a lot of
7.62x39 downrange on many occasions including those where law
enforcement was also present.
-c

Well, you and I are lucky that we live in states and cities that haven't
passed laws that outlaw such guns. The same can not be said for all of our
fellow US citizens.

Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
Which is emblematic of their origins, and their original (and even
today) purpose.

I suspect you DO know what they were, don't you?

Oh jesus, you're not going to start spouting "Red Scare" crap are you?
Spare us. Communism (on a large scale) is dead.

But those that support socialism and would like to see it in place in this
country are, unfortunately, not.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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I prefer not to talk about my gun collection, but let's just say I
haven't needed the ACLU and I've thrown a whole hell of a lot of
7.62x39 downrange on many occasions including those where law enforcement
was also present.
-c

Well, you and I are lucky that we live in states and cities that haven't
passed laws that outlaw such guns. The same can not be said for all of our
fellow US citizens.

Ahh... you might have a point there. If I have idle time this afternoon
I'm going to try to see if the ACLU ever defended a 2nd Amendment issue
although I'm not sure that it's a battle they could win if they tried.

Although I take the anti-ACLU stuff with a grain of salt (anytime the words
"liberal", "communist" or "neocon" are used, I'm immediately suspicious),
I'm certainly not ready to extend the ACLU the benefit of the doubt.

-c

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:


But those that support socialism and would like to see it in place in this
country are, unfortunately, not.

Nor are those intent on a christian theocracy.

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"gatt" wrote:
If I have idle time this
afternoon I'm going to try to see if the ACLU ever defended a 2nd
Amendment issue although I'm not sure that it's a battle they could
win if they tried.

I'll try to save you some time by providing a link to the ACLU web site
that states the position of the ACLU national group on one hand and another
link wherein the Texas chapter of the ACLU of Texas actually joined with
the NRA in defending gun rights:

"Why doesn't the ACLU support an individual's unlimited right to keep
and bear arms?""

http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

"The ACLU Defends Gun Rights"

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119544.html

If anyone ever forms a U.S. national organization that defends all our
civil rights then I would support it.