Bad pilots, bad maintenance ruining general aviation

Shirl writes:

Bad pilots and bad maintenance exist, sure ... but accidents can and do
occur in the most meticulously maintained aircraft flown by
"extraordinarily safe" pilots too. You shouldn't make any assumptions
about pilots or maintenance every time there is a crash.

I'm just going by the numbers. Random, unavoidable mechanical or other
failures are quite rare as causes of accidents, even in GA aircraft. Most
accidents are avoidable, either with a better pilot or a more carefully
maintained aircraft, or both.

Shirl:
Bad pilots and bad maintenance exist, sure ... but accidents can and do
occur in the most meticulously maintained aircraft flown by
"extraordinarily safe" pilots too. You shouldn't make any assumptions
about pilots or maintenance every time there is a crash.

Mxsmanic wrote:
I'm just going by the numbers. Random, unavoidable mechanical or other
failures are quite rare as causes of accidents, even in GA aircraft.

Not as rare as you assume.

Most accidents are avoidable, either with a better pilot
or a more carefully maintained aircraft, or both.

There are PLENTY of carefully maintained aircraft that have problems and
failures, some resulting in accidents and some not. The concept you
aren't understanding is that mechanical failure is not necessarily an
indication of poor/careless/inadequate maintenance, and in fact, more
frequently than you believe, things go wrong even on airplanes that are
vigilantly maintained. Bottom line, even though you and your mechanic do
everything humanly possible, there is simply no way to assure an
aircraft isn't going to have a problem.

Shirl writes:

There are PLENTY of carefully maintained aircraft that have problems and
failures, some resulting in accidents and some not. The concept you
aren't understanding is that mechanical failure is not necessarily an
indication of poor/careless/inadequate maintenance, and in fact, more
frequently than you believe, things go wrong even on airplanes that are
vigilantly maintained. Bottom line, even though you and your mechanic do
everything humanly possible, there is simply no way to assure an
aircraft isn't going to have a problem.

Then it must be a defect in design.

On Jun 5, 4:27 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Shirl writes:
There are PLENTY of carefully maintained aircraft that have problems and
failures, some resulting in accidents and some not. The concept you
aren't understanding is that mechanical failure is not necessarily an
indication of poor/careless/inadequate maintenance, and in fact, more
frequently than you believe, things go wrong even on airplanes that are
vigilantly maintained. Bottom line, even though you and your mechanic do
everything humanly possible, there is simply no way to assure an
aircraft isn't going to have a problem.

Then it must be a defect in design.

Sorry to jump in here guys.

MX, you are an insufferable fool. Your comments on other threads
regarding housing prices in the US, how a million dollars is not alot
of money, how middle class is shrinking in America, etc are absolutely
hysterical coming from an underemployed Frenchman like you.

Skylune writes:

Sorry to jump in here guys.

MX, you are an insufferable fool. Your comments on other threads
regarding housing prices in the US, how a million dollars is not alot
of money, how middle class is shrinking in America, etc are absolutely
hysterical coming from an underemployed Frenchman like you.

Was your mistake deliberate, or just a coincidence?

On Jun 5, 4:57 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Skylune writes:
Sorry to jump in here guys.

MX, you are an insufferable fool. Your comments on other threads
regarding housing prices in the US, how a million dollars is not alot
of money, how middle class is shrinking in America, etc are absolutely
hysterical coming from an underemployed Frenchman like you.

Was your mistake deliberate, or just a coincidence?

OK, I'll play for a while. I have some free time.

What mistake? Did you obtain gainful employment?

Skylune wrote:
On Jun 5, 4:57 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Skylune writes:
Sorry to jump in here guys.
MX, you are an insufferable fool. Your comments on other threads
regarding housing prices in the US, how a million dollars is not alot
of money, how middle class is shrinking in America, etc are absolutely
hysterical coming from an underemployed Frenchman like you.
Was your mistake deliberate, or just a coincidence?

OK, I'll play for a while. I have some free time.

What mistake? Did you obtain gainful employment?

I never thought I'd say this this, but don't insult the French by
implying he is one of them. He is just a whining ex-pat American ( or
so he claims )

Skylune writes:

What mistake? Did you obtain gainful employment?

I guess it was an ironic coincidence, then.

Best not to criticize others for a perceived lack of research unless one does
at least as much research oneself.

On Jun 5, 10:27 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Shirl writes:
There are PLENTY of carefully maintained aircraft that have problems and
failures, some resulting in accidents and some not. The concept you
aren't understanding is that mechanical failure is not necessarily an
indication of poor/careless/inadequate maintenance, and in fact, more
frequently than you believe, things go wrong even on airplanes that are
vigilantly maintained. Bottom line, even though you and your mechanic do
everything humanly possible, there is simply no way to assure an
aircraft isn't going to have a problem.

Then it must be a defect in design.

Thanks, for letting me know you have no clue about engineering.

-Kees

Too bad you weren't aboard United 232 back in 1989. I'm sure you could have
averted the disaster.
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Shirl writes:

Bad pilots and bad maintenance exist, sure ... but accidents can and do
occur in the most meticulously maintained aircraft flown by
"extraordinarily safe" pilots too. You shouldn't make any assumptions
about pilots or maintenance every time there is a crash.

I'm just going by the numbers. Random, unavoidable mechanical or other
failures are quite rare as causes of accidents, even in GA aircraft. Most
accidents are avoidable, either with a better pilot or a more carefully
maintained aircraft, or both.