Gliders in the Grand Canyon

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

You, and your charts are wrong.

They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government. Surely
you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA?

It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any
sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your
beloved Skyvector.com.

It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August), and on
the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular cycles), at N
36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps, and various pilots
have put pictures of it on the Web.

In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me to lend
any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like saying there's no
such place as Los Angeles.

Like told many times before, get your facts
straight before shooting off your mouth.

Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are
and how much of a fool you can be.

Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and who is
wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly that.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

You, and your charts are wrong.

They are not my charts; they are prepared by the Federal government.
Surely you've seen the specific VFR chart for the Grand Canyon SFRA?

It isn't listed at Airnav.com. It isn't listed on any
sectional, let alone the Grand Canyon VFR chart or listed at your
beloved Skyvector.com.

It's on the Las Vegas sectional (which doesn't expire until August),
and on the Grand Canyon SFRA chart (which doesn't have regular
cycles), at N 36.301407 W 113.071384. You can see it on Google Maps,
and various pilots have put pictures of it on the Web.

In the face of so much documentary evidence, it is impossible for me
to lend any real credence to your point of view. It's a bit like
saying there's no such place as Los Angeles.

Like told many times before, get your facts
straight before shooting off your mouth.

Actually, don't. It's a lot more fun showing how wrong you are
and how much of a fool you can be.

Anyone looking it up will find out very quickly just who is right and
who is wrong, and I recommend that anyone who is curious do exactly
that.


Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does
one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6
months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport
that the airport is still really operational as an airport? Only you, play
pilot, are that stupid.

The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon
chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would
believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there.

Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal
government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle? Newsflash asshole
- Tuweep isn't there anymore. This is from the federal government's NACO
web site which lists all airports in any selected state. No Tuweep or L50.


The federal goverment does maintain, online, a current data base of
airports. Tuweep is NOT there. The Arizona Department of Transportation
used to maintain Tuweep. Their web pages lists the airport as closed. Only
a moronic buttwipe like you would bleat "it's on the chart which hasn't
expired, its got to be there."

The AOPA, which has a vested interest in maintining up-to-date
information for pilots, no longer shows Tuweep or L50. Do you have some
inside knowledge on Tuweep which neither the federal goverment, the AOPA,
or the Arizona DOT posses? If so, please tell us the source. You
obviously don't have a clue on how to properly inform yourself of all
factors which could affect your flight. That's right. Your not a pilot.
Your not even a competent play pilot.

Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is
accepted. Try getting an area weather briefing for L50. The weather
service knows nothing about L50 any more.

Did you search the NOTAM file to see if L50 still exists? Did you
know that this is where changes are documented until the next chart cycle?
If you did, why didn't you check it? If you didn't, why did you shoot your
stupid mouth off and try to claim that Tuweep is still there? Is it your
goal in life to subtract from the sum total of human knowledge?

Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Marty Shapiro writes:

Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does
one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6
months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport
that the airport is still really operational as an airport?

It's just a strip of dirt. That's all it has ever been. You can still land
on it and take off from it, so it's operational. It doesn't need a tower or
terminal or first-class lounge to be a usable airport.

The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon
chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would
believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there.

It's on both charts.

Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal
government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle?

Yes, but it's not listed. Of course, many airports are not listed.

The Arizona Department of Transportation used to maintain Tuweep.

What maintenance did a dirt strip require?

Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is
accepted.

You can fly VFR without a flight plan.

Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****.

In other words, you disagree, which is your prerogative.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:

Not only are you a moron, you're an asshole as well. How stupid does
one have to be to think that just because a printed chart (updated every 6
months, and at least 1 month out of date when it appears) shows an airport
that the airport is still really operational as an airport?

It's just a strip of dirt. That's all it has ever been. You can still land
on it and take off from it, so it's operational. It doesn't need a tower or
terminal or first-class lounge to be a usable airport.

There is a HUGE difference between a strip of dirt, and an
open, Operational field. According to the owners of the field, The
Arizona DOT, it is closed and not to be used for any operations. And
you of all people should know that, seeing that you allegedly LIVED in
Arizona.

It is CLOSED, and therefore not a usable field for anything at
all, expect a decent place to put down for an emergency landing.

Expect this field to show up shortly at airfields-freeman.com
for being Abandoned/Closed. I'm even willing to bet it won't even show
up as abandoned on the next sectional.

The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon
chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you would
believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still there.

It's on both charts.

How about this. Pull up Skype and call the closest FSS to
Tuweep (Prescott FSS). Ask them if Tuweep is an open field. Then report
back to us what their answer was. Be sure to put your tail between your
legs when you do.

Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal
government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle?

Yes, but it's not listed. Of course, many airports are not listed.

So you refuse to believe the government, who controls the
charts and listings for active fields? You are pathetic.

The Arizona Department of Transportation used to maintain Tuweep.

What maintenance did a dirt strip require?

Lessee.. Active listing in A/FDs, for one, magnetic variation
for the runway, appropriate calculable runway length/width, MVAs for
that area.. Need I go on?

Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is
accepted.

You can fly VFR without a flight plan.

Well, no ****. Read what he said. File a flight plan, VFR, IFR
or whatever, to L50 with DUATs. And while he may not say it, I will.
I'll guaran-damn-tee it won't be accepted.

Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****.

In other words, you disagree, which is your prerogative.

I have to agree with him. Your statements are pure
unsustantiated bull****.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

There is a HUGE difference between a strip of dirt, and an
open, Operational field.

There are many strips of dirt that are open and operational fields.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

There is a HUGE difference between a strip of dirt, and an
open, Operational field.

There are many strips of dirt that are open and operational fields.

Which those 'many strips of dirt' are irrelevant to the one in
discussion: Tuweep. The airport is closed. It is no longer open and
operational. There is documentation publically available to support
this, yet you refuse to believe it.

Like others, I hope to never fly with you or around you (which
won't happen, since you said you won't/don't fly).

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Like others, I hope to never fly with you or around you (which
won't happen, since you said you won't/don't fly).

Neither do you. Why is that significant for me, but not for you?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

There is a HUGE difference between a strip of dirt, and an
open, Operational field.

There are many strips of dirt that are open and operational fields.


How would you know wannabe boi?

You don't fly and never will.


Bertie

Mxsmanic took his dick out of his mouth and wrote in
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It's just a strip of dirt. That's all it has ever been. You can
still land on it and take off from it, so it's operational. It
doesn't need a tower or terminal or first-class lounge to be a usable
airport.

BULL ****. An "X" on a runway means that the controlling authority
for that runway has closed it. While it might be usable in an emergency,
there is no guarantee that the runway is in any condition to safely land or
take off. The owner of L50, Arizona DOT, has put an "X" on the runway. It
is not an operational airfield any more than a stretch of an interstate
highway or an open field is an operational runway. Even a moron would know
something like that. Your IQ appears to be many orders of magnitude below
that of a moron.

The VFR sectional charts are issued every 6 months. The Grand Canyon
chart is on a "when issued" cycle. Only a stupid buttwipe like you
would believe that just because it's on the unexpired chart its still
there.

It's on both charts.


So what? You don't know **** from shinola when it comes to reading a
sectional. Look at the current Las Vegas sectional published on March 15,
2007 containing data current through January 18, 2007. Tell us what the
"U" inside the magenta circle means.

Hmmm. Let's see. We have no name by the airport, no identifier by
the airport, no frequency listed for the airport, and a "U" inside the
circle. Yet you claim this represents an operational airport there. When
it comes to reading a sectional, you don't know **** from shinola. Did you
even bother to look at the date on the charts you are citing to claim L50
is an operational airport? The GC chart was last published in April, 2001.
L50 was closed in December of 2004. Only in the vacuum between your ears
would the concept of the a 6 year old chart being 100% current exist.

Did you try looking up Tuweep in the A/FD, which is also a federal
government publication, but is updated on 56 day cycle?

Yes, but it's not listed. Of course, many airports are not listed.

The Arizona Department of Transportation used to maintain Tuweep.

What maintenance did a dirt strip require?

You are just diplaying your ignorance again.

Try filing a VFR flight plan to L50 with DUATS. Let us know if it is
accepted.

You can fly VFR without a flight plan.


No one said you couldn't. Only you have enough of a short circuit in
your neural pathways to come up with a non sequitur like this.

Your statements are pure unadulterated bull ****.

In other words, you disagree, which is your prerogative.

No, in plain English: YOU ARE FULL OF ****.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

Marty Shapiro wrote:
Mxsmanic took his dick out of his mouth and wrote in
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It's just a strip of dirt. That's all it has ever been. You can
still land on it and take off from it, so it's operational. It
doesn't need a tower or terminal or first-class lounge to be a usable
airport.

BULL ****. An "X" on a runway means that the controlling authority
for that runway has closed it. While it might be usable in an emergency,
there is no guarantee that the runway is in any condition to safely land or
take off. The owner of L50, Arizona DOT, has put an "X" on the runway. It

I drove the entire length of the runway at Toroweep (Tuweap) a few
months ago in a pickup truck. I didn't see an X. The national park
service ranger stationed about a mile away says that it still gets very
occasional use.