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Old September 9th 03, 02:43 PM
Ed Rasimus
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Scott Peterson wrote:

But he left the ballpark
when he tried to go political and engaged in wholesale libel with his
"the Guard was a haven for draftdodgers" crap.


Wasn't it? That's certainly the way I remember it....and I knew a
quite a few people who were in it for exactly that reason.


Well, I've got the distinct impression that the period in question is
prior to your birth, but let me point out that there is a considerable
difference between ANG and Army NG. During the SEA period, a lot of
folks sought Guard duty specifically to avoid active Army draft
service. But, to stretch the Guard responsibility to fit the mission
and extensive training requirements of an ANG pilot is a significant
move.


Good question. I thought that through the 1980's the chain of command
for the NG went to the Governor unless the unless the units had been
federalized.

The example that comes to mind was Eisenhower doing this to keep NG
troops from being used by segratationist governors in the school
integration efforts in the mid-1950's.


While you are technically correct, in that NG units are under the
control of the Governor of the state, there is a parallel chain of
command to the NGB and then reporting to the appropriate service CinC
and then JCS. While Army Guard units were activated to enforce federal
policy and also for disaster relief and riot duty (in '68) the ANG
units are much more often activated for federal military service
deployed.


Ed Rasimus
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***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
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Old September 9th 03, 05:29 PM
Scott Peterson
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Ed Rasimus wrote:

Well, I've got the distinct impression that the period in question is
prior to your birth, but let me point out that there is a considerable
difference between ANG and Army NG. During the SEA period, a lot of
folks sought Guard duty specifically to avoid active Army draft
service. But, to stretch the Guard responsibility to fit the mission
and extensive training requirements of an ANG pilot is a significant
move.



I don't know why you'd think that. But no, I'm one of the baby
boomers.

Scott Peterson


If one synchronized swimmer drowns,
do the rest have to drown too?
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Old September 10th 03, 10:28 AM
Cub Driver
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the ANG
units are much more often activated for federal military service
deployed.


The New Hampshire Air Guard was, as I recall, called up for a couple
weeks every December to fly packages to Vietnam. While this tour of
duty would no doubt be sneered at by the Good People who never in
their lives put on a uniform, it did serve a purpose.

In Vietnam in 1964, I fell into conversation with a C-123 pilot who'd
been stationed next door to me at (then) Pease AFB. He'd been flying
B-52s (I think) and was really really annoyed when he found himself
assigned to an aerial pickup truck in Vietnam. Some of his SAC mates,
he said, had gotten out of the service rather than suffer the
indignity. But he had concluded that flying for the air force was
better than not flying for the air force, so he took the assignment
and found himself enjoying it.

It ain't how you got there that matters, it's how the do the job once
you're there.


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Old September 10th 03, 01:07 PM
Peter Stickney
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In article ,
Cub Driver writes:

the ANG
units are much more often activated for federal military service
deployed.


The New Hampshire Air Guard was, as I recall, called up for a couple
weeks every December to fly packages to Vietnam. While this tour of
duty would no doubt be sneered at by the Good People who never in
their lives put on a uniform, it did serve a purpose.


I was going to bring this one up, and you beat me to it.
Actually, the 157th ATG/MAG (Air Transport Group/Military Airlift
Group _was_ flying missions into Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia
from about 1963 on. They were flying C-97s, and later, C-124s, out
of Grenier Field (MHT), and, later, Pease AFB. They weren't called
up, though. They voluntarily placed the unit into the MATS/MAC
schedule to fly "for real" airlift missions. Other ANG and Air Force
Reserve airlifters did the same thing. ANG crews also ended up doing
"Detached Duty" in all manner of, shall we say, "Interesting Places".
Fer example, most of the aircraft and crews used by Balair, the
Inernational Red Cross, and Joint Church Aid for relief flights into
Biafra came from various Air National Guard units, the NH ANG among
them. This was ugly, intense duty, and as dangerous as an airlifter
could get. (the Kenyan MiGs, which were active and shot down several
relief aircraft, were the least of their problems.)


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Pete Stickney
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bad measures. -- Daniel Webster
 




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