ACLU sues Jeppesen for Flights

"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote:
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Extreme ideologies...like liberty?
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I don't think I suggested liberty was an extreme ideology.

Side note: I believe liberty _is_ considered by many people to be an
"extreme" ideology. Ask a crowd (say the readers of this newsgroup) to vote
on whether they consider the following political ideologies to be extreme,
though both are presumably founded on maximizing liberty:

Libertarianism
Anarchism

and I suspect a majority would label both as being "extreme." Giving up
liberties in exchange for something else is considered a non-extreme
position, if not almost a law of nature.

(I guess I'm an extremist!)

Libertarianism
Anarchism

and I suspect a majority would label both as being "extreme." Giving up
liberties in exchange for something else is considered a non-extreme
position, if not almost a law of nature.

It's a question of degree. Neither liberty nor government is extreme.
However, anarchy (no government, total liberty) and totalitarianism
(total government, no liberty) are extreme.

It's a question of perspective. If one believes that we are already too
far in one direction, the belief that going further in that direction is
extremist.

Jose
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they push the button.
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Jim Maher wrote:
This is rich. The [Anti] American Civil Liberties Union, also known for
its staunch support of the North American Man-Boy Lovers Association
(NAMBLA), just filed a suit of Boeing's Jeppesen subsidiary. The
reason? The ACLU is accusing Jeppesen for providing flight services to
the CIA, which Boeing "knew or should have known," was using for the
purpose of "torturing" terrorists.

Even assuming for the purpose of the argument that the CIA was actually
torturing terrorists, why would Jeppesen be at fault? They merely
provide navigation support and handling for air traffic control, fuel
requirements, formalities, etc. for airplanes. Somehow ACLU wants to
hold Jeppesen responsible for running a torture chamber too.

Why not sue the company that made the diodes in the VOR beacons that the
flights may have used, or the headset manufacturer too? What a pity
that valuable court resources are consumed by the ACLU's bilge.

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Urban myth ...

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On 2007-06-05 10:24:22 -0700, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe said:

Robert Barker wrote:
hold Jeppesen responsible for running a torture chamber too.

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Perhaps they're using this suit to get information under "discovery" to find
out what the CIA is really up to. Then when they get the info, they'll drop
the suit and go after the real perps...

This current administration has been consistently expanding the power of the
executive thru a bizarre flurry of signing statements and other policy
decisions that severely threaten our rights under the constitution. It is
chilling to think Bush is applying his own interpretations to presented
legislation. A weaker mind / character in the presidency has never been.
It is agreed in most rational and civilized frames of belief that kidnapping
and torture are unacceptable.

This is bizarre. No one is claiming that the Bush administration
kidnapped or tortured the plaintiffs in this case.

Extraordinary rendition is simply returning criminals to trial in
countries that we have no extradition agreement with. It is nothing
new; every administration since the foundation of the republic has done
this. Every country does it.

It is incumbent on civilized countries to determine that persons being
sent to another country for trial without extradition will not be
mistreated. Whether the Bush administration has met its obligation
there is unknown; Jeppesen has no way of knowing what agreements we
have with countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan or how well those
agreements are being kept. In fact, they have no way of knowing the
purpose of these flights at all.

What, you want to sue the fuel companies, too? The line guy that filled
the tanks? The people that made the airplane's instruments?

This is nothing more than an attempt by the ACLU to extort money from
people who acted in good faith. The extraordinary renditions have been
held by the Supreme Court to be legal -- the ACLU lost there, so they
are taking it out on private businesses. It is nothing less than a
blatant attempt to subvert the actions of a democratically elected
government through extortion.

These lawsuits cost a lot of money. The ACLU is attempting to stop a
war it disagrees with by attacking the civil rights of ordinary
citizens. It is doing something far worse than Bush was ever accused of.

This is a simple moral issue.

It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is
engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by
private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled,
even obligated, to perform. ACLU is attempting to punish people and
deprive them of their civil rights because of its political
disagreements with the current administration.

However, the
criminal constituency of our current administration has run amok under an
hysterical cry of "the war on terror". expletive deleted...
kidnapping and torture is
terrorism.

ACLU is the one engaging in immoral activities here.

If you believe that it is OK to torture other humans for reasons you think
are appropriate, remember that the same inquisitors will use similar methods
of logic to single you out for extermination when they are ready. The
continuing erosion of our civil rights are setting the stage for that
eventuality.

The ACLU is seeking discovery thru the channels that are most likely to
produce.

Ah. The end justifies the means, eh? You are beginning to sound just
like what you say the Bush administration is.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:
It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is
engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by
private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled,
even obligated, to perform.

No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded corporation,
in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public corporation,
incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA.

Blanche wrote:
C J Campbell wrote:
It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is
engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by
private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled,
even obligated, to perform.

No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded
corporation, in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public
corporation, incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA.

I'm willing to bet he ment private company as in not a part of the
government.

Replacing "private" in his comment with non-governmental or even blank space
doesn't change the fact that he is right.

"Blanche" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:
It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is
engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by
private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled,
even obligated, to perform.

No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded
corporation,
in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public corporation,
incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA.

You're confusing "public company" with an entity like Amtak or the post
office.

Boeing is a "private" company.

On 2007-06-13 11:00:42 -0700, Blanche said:

C J Campbell wrote:
It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is
engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by
private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled,
even obligated, to perform.

No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded corporation,
in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public corporation,
incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA.

Boeing is a private company, but not a privately held company. Boeing
is not owned by the government.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell writes:

Boeing is a private company, but not a privately held company. Boeing
is not owned by the government.

Some people may be confusing it with Airbus, which is a public charity.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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C J Campbell writes:

Boeing is a private company, but not a privately held company. Boeing
is not owned by the government.

Some people may be confusing it with Airbus, which is a public charity.




Like you'd know the difference.

Bankruptcy boi.


Bertie