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"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote: .... Extreme ideologies...like liberty? .... I don't think I suggested liberty was an extreme ideology. Side note: I believe liberty _is_ considered by many people to be an "extreme" ideology. Ask a crowd (say the readers of this newsgroup) to vote on whether they consider the following political ideologies to be extreme, though both are presumably founded on maximizing liberty: Libertarianism Anarchism and I suspect a majority would label both as being "extreme." Giving up liberties in exchange for something else is considered a non-extreme position, if not almost a law of nature. (I guess I'm an extremist!) |
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Libertarianism
Anarchism and I suspect a majority would label both as being "extreme." Giving up liberties in exchange for something else is considered a non-extreme position, if not almost a law of nature. It's a question of degree. Neither liberty nor government is extreme. However, anarchy (no government, total liberty) and totalitarianism (total government, no liberty) are extreme. It's a question of perspective. If one believes that we are already too far in one direction, the belief that going further in that direction is extremist. Jose -- There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when they push the button. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jim Maher wrote:
This is rich. The [Anti] American Civil Liberties Union, also known for its staunch support of the North American Man-Boy Lovers Association (NAMBLA), just filed a suit of Boeing's Jeppesen subsidiary. The reason? The ACLU is accusing Jeppesen for providing flight services to the CIA, which Boeing "knew or should have known," was using for the purpose of "torturing" terrorists. Even assuming for the purpose of the argument that the CIA was actually torturing terrorists, why would Jeppesen be at fault? They merely provide navigation support and handling for air traffic control, fuel requirements, formalities, etc. for airplanes. Somehow ACLU wants to hold Jeppesen responsible for running a torture chamber too. Why not sue the company that made the diodes in the VOR beacons that the flights may have used, or the headset manufacturer too? What a pity that valuable court resources are consumed by the ACLU's bilge. http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/den...8/daily21.html Urban myth ... -- "Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." —- Voltaire |
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On 2007-06-05 10:24:22 -0700, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe said:
Robert Barker wrote: hold Jeppesen responsible for running a torture chamber too. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] Perhaps they're using this suit to get information under "discovery" to find out what the CIA is really up to. Then when they get the info, they'll drop the suit and go after the real perps... This current administration has been consistently expanding the power of the executive thru a bizarre flurry of signing statements and other policy decisions that severely threaten our rights under the constitution. It is chilling to think Bush is applying his own interpretations to presented legislation. A weaker mind / character in the presidency has never been. It is agreed in most rational and civilized frames of belief that kidnapping and torture are unacceptable. This is bizarre. No one is claiming that the Bush administration kidnapped or tortured the plaintiffs in this case. Extraordinary rendition is simply returning criminals to trial in countries that we have no extradition agreement with. It is nothing new; every administration since the foundation of the republic has done this. Every country does it. It is incumbent on civilized countries to determine that persons being sent to another country for trial without extradition will not be mistreated. Whether the Bush administration has met its obligation there is unknown; Jeppesen has no way of knowing what agreements we have with countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan or how well those agreements are being kept. In fact, they have no way of knowing the purpose of these flights at all. What, you want to sue the fuel companies, too? The line guy that filled the tanks? The people that made the airplane's instruments? This is nothing more than an attempt by the ACLU to extort money from people who acted in good faith. The extraordinary renditions have been held by the Supreme Court to be legal -- the ACLU lost there, so they are taking it out on private businesses. It is nothing less than a blatant attempt to subvert the actions of a democratically elected government through extortion. These lawsuits cost a lot of money. The ACLU is attempting to stop a war it disagrees with by attacking the civil rights of ordinary citizens. It is doing something far worse than Bush was ever accused of. This is a simple moral issue. It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled, even obligated, to perform. ACLU is attempting to punish people and deprive them of their civil rights because of its political disagreements with the current administration. However, the criminal constituency of our current administration has run amok under an hysterical cry of "the war on terror". expletive deleted... kidnapping and torture is terrorism. ACLU is the one engaging in immoral activities here. If you believe that it is OK to torture other humans for reasons you think are appropriate, remember that the same inquisitors will use similar methods of logic to single you out for extermination when they are ready. The continuing erosion of our civil rights are setting the stage for that eventuality. The ACLU is seeking discovery thru the channels that are most likely to produce. Ah. The end justifies the means, eh? You are beginning to sound just like what you say the Bush administration is. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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C J Campbell wrote:
It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled, even obligated, to perform. No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded corporation, in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public corporation, incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA. |
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Blanche wrote:
C J Campbell wrote: It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled, even obligated, to perform. No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded corporation, in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public corporation, incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA. I'm willing to bet he ment private company as in not a part of the government. Replacing "private" in his comment with non-governmental or even blank space doesn't change the fact that he is right. |
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![]() "Blanche" wrote in message ... C J Campbell wrote: It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled, even obligated, to perform. No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded corporation, in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public corporation, incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA. You're confusing "public company" with an entity like Amtak or the post office. Boeing is a "private" company. |
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On 2007-06-13 11:00:42 -0700, Blanche said:
C J Campbell wrote: It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled, even obligated, to perform. No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded corporation, in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public corporation, incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA. Boeing is a private company, but not a privately held company. Boeing is not owned by the government. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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C J Campbell writes:
Boeing is a private company, but not a privately held company. Boeing is not owned by the government. Some people may be confusing it with Airbus, which is a public charity. |
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Mxsmanic wrote in
news ![]() C J Campbell writes: Boeing is a private company, but not a privately held company. Boeing is not owned by the government. Some people may be confusing it with Airbus, which is a public charity. Like you'd know the difference. Bankruptcy boi. Bertie |
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