Gliders in the Grand Canyon

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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Apparently you have never heard of shelving or floors.

I have, but that's irrelevant here. The chart is clearly marked, e.g.,

9999' MSL
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SURFACE

Surface means the ground. You can't go below an airspace that starts on the
ground.

All of that information is available on the Las Vegas
Sectional, which you would have realized if you looked at it, since
it's publically available.

I'm looking at the Grand Canyon chart, which is also publically available, and
is much more relevant to the Grand Canyon SFRA than any other chart.

True; while this may be irrelevant to the Grand Canyon chart,
it goes back to the previous statement; the Grand Canyon Chart is 6
years out of date, according to the FAA; last update for that was April
19th, 2001. I understand that 'because a new chart hasn't been issued
still makes the old one current'; but it also does mean that any
changes to airports in the A/FD (closure, changes to the diagram,
layout of the airport, etc.) would supercede the chart you have, making
it old and out of date.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

True; while this may be irrelevant to the Grand Canyon chart,
it goes back to the previous statement; the Grand Canyon Chart is 6
years out of date, according to the FAA; last update for that was April
19th, 2001. I understand that 'because a new chart hasn't been issued
still makes the old one current'; but it also does mean that any
changes to airports in the A/FD (closure, changes to the diagram,
layout of the airport, etc.) would supercede the chart you have, making
it old and out of date.

The most recent sectional also shows the airports.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

True; while this may be irrelevant to the Grand Canyon chart,
it goes back to the previous statement; the Grand Canyon Chart is 6
years out of date, according to the FAA; last update for that was April
19th, 2001. I understand that 'because a new chart hasn't been issued
still makes the old one current'; but it also does mean that any
changes to airports in the A/FD (closure, changes to the diagram,
layout of the airport, etc.) would supercede the chart you have, making
it old and out of date.

The most recent sectional also shows the airports.

Back to the same issue again; If the A/FD shows that the
airport is closed (and keep in mind the A/FD is updated every 56 days),
your 3 month old 'recent sectional' is out of date and needs to be
updated. Once again, A/FD changes would supercede the chart you have.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Back to the same issue again; If the A/FD shows that the
airport is closed (and keep in mind the A/FD is updated every 56 days),
your 3 month old 'recent sectional' is out of date and needs to be
updated. Once again, A/FD changes would supercede the chart you have.

More precisely, anything that agrees with you would supersede anything that
agrees with me.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Back to the same issue again; If the A/FD shows that the
airport is closed (and keep in mind the A/FD is updated every 56 days),
your 3 month old 'recent sectional' is out of date and needs to be
updated. Once again, A/FD changes would supercede the chart you have.

More precisely, anything that agrees with you would supersede anything that
agrees with me.

You want to take it personal, that is your call. But evidence
and support of it (A/FD vs. outdated sectional/charts) still stand. Now
you're trolling, and you're not going to bait me.

Anywho, Don't take my word for it (you won't anyway). Go search
for Tuweep at http://www.naco.faa.gov and let us know what you do (more
importantly, DON'T) find.

BL.
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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Back to the same issue again; If the A/FD shows that the
airport is closed (and keep in mind the A/FD is updated every 56 days),
your 3 month old 'recent sectional' is out of date and needs to be
updated. Once again, A/FD changes would supercede the chart you have.

More precisely, anything that agrees with you would supersede anything that
agrees with me.

Have you ever seen a real A/FD and noticed the chapter "Chart Bulletin"
where updates to charts are published or the chapter "Notices" were
the current altitudes for SFAR-50-2 are published?

I thought not; you would rather argue endlessly about something you
know little to nothing about.

--
Jim Pennino

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writes:

Have you ever seen a real A/FD and noticed the chapter "Chart Bulletin"
where updates to charts are published or the chapter "Notices" were
the current altitudes for SFAR-50-2 are published?

I've seen SFAR-50-2, the one that says "extending upward from the surface" and
names a number of airfields within the SFRA.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

writes:

Have you ever seen a real A/FD and noticed the chapter "Chart
Bulletin" where updates to charts are published or the chapter
"Notices" were the current altitudes for SFAR-50-2 are published?

I've seen SFAR-50-2, the one that says "extending upward from the
surface" and names a number of airfields within the SFRA.


So what, you can't fly into any of them and never will fjukkwit.


bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Have you ever seen a real A/FD and noticed the chapter "Chart Bulletin"
where updates to charts are published or the chapter "Notices" were
the current altitudes for SFAR-50-2 are published?

I've seen SFAR-50-2, the one that says "extending upward from the surface" and
names a number of airfields within the SFRA.

That's not what I asked, you babbling, arrogant, childish, twit.

Could it be that since MSFS doesn't have anything like the A/FD you
just can't understand the concept?

--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Back to the same issue again; If the A/FD shows that the
airport is closed (and keep in mind the A/FD is updated every 56
days), your 3 month old 'recent sectional' is out of date and needs
to be updated. Once again, A/FD changes would supercede the chart you
have.

More precisely, anything that agrees with you would supersede anything
that agrees with me.


Nothing agrees with you.


Bertie