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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank
airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Thanks, Marc -- |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
"Marc CYBW" wrote in message news:leobi.15208$NV3.6049@pd7urf2no... I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Buy one outright, and find a partner or two, if needed. It sounds like you have no need for all of the expense, capability, and training required to move up. -- Jim in NC |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
In article leobi.15208$NV3.6049@pd7urf2no,
"Marc CYBW" wrote: I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Why would anyone want to downgrade from a C182 to a Cirrus SR20? Run the numbers for useful load, endurance, maintenance and insurance costs. |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
"john smith" wrote in message ... In article leobi.15208$NV3.6049@pd7urf2no, "Marc CYBW" wrote: I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Why would anyone want to downgrade from a C182 to a Cirrus SR20? Run the numbers for useful load, endurance, maintenance and insurance costs. Good heavens, there is someone even *more* opinionated than me. :-) I was only going to suggest that how you actually use the airplane would determine whether a change from C182 to SR20 would be an upgrade or a downgrade. This is like comparing a Chevy Tahoe to a new Cadillac DTS; or a Range Rover to a Jaguar XJ. Peter |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
On Jun 11, 11:16 pm, "Marc CYBW"
wrote: I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Thanks, Marc -- Just for flying day-VFR locally one hr per week, and no intention of getting IFR, I would say an SR20 is a major overkill. |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On Jun 11, 11:16 pm, "Marc CYBW" wrote: I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Thanks, Marc -- Just for flying day-VFR locally one hr per week, and no intention of getting IFR, I would say an SR20 is a major overkill. So is a 182. |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
On Jun 12, 2:50 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote: Andrew Sarangan wrote: On Jun 11, 11:16 pm, "Marc CYBW" wrote: I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Thanks, Marc -- Just for flying day-VFR locally one hr per week, and no intention of getting IFR, I would say an SR20 is a major overkill. So is a 182.- Hide quoted text - I was just about to say that too. For the type of flying he was describing, an a 172 or Cherokee might be the most economical choice. |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
On Jun 11, 10:16 pm, "Marc CYBW"
wrote: I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Thanks, Marc -- My suggestion is that you stay with the Skylane(s). run the numbers but I bet with the insurance etc your hourly cost skyrocket, I dont see a mission requirement that dictates the SR20...and can you carry as much (both volume and mass)? Loverly (grin) countryside up there. My first Boeing type rating came at the Boeing factory (the B-737/300 when it was new) and we took one up to that part of the country and let me do "touch and goes". Vancouver is just wonderful. What a gig you must have. Robert |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
Hi group,
Good arguments for skipping the SR20 so far, but...... ...... one of the other fractional owners in our group looked at the possibility of a few of us buying one of the 182s (as opposed to the club rental beater) and suggested the following reasons for upgrading: - the big red handle on the SR20 - the fun and challenge of flying a technologically current plane - the flexibility of availability of 16 people in 2 planes vs. (say) 6 in one plane (the 182 shared among 6) - the upcoming engine overhaul on the 182 - laying off the risk of repairs, etc on the fractional operator - the red carpet treatment of fractional ownership (scheduling, ramp service, etc.) - the big red handle (did I mention that?) - the fun of a new airplane (did I mention that) - the O2 system for mountain flying - the big red handle when you're over the Rockies at 15,000 ft.(did I mention that) - the hassles of setting up a limited corporation to (maybe) limit our liability So, for an increase of about 50% in cost for a 50 hr year, he suggests we go for it. Seems logical so far. Comments? Marc "Luke Skywalker" wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 11, 10:16 pm, "Marc CYBW" wrote: I am a fractional owner of a pair of very nice Skylanes at Springbank airport in Calgary (CYBW) and fly here and there, mostly just around Alberta but occasionally on vacation - usually over the mountains to the wet coast -(i.e. Vancouver island) - about 50 hrs /yr. Great operation. Great service. Almost always a plane available. Planning on Oshkosh next year. The Skylanes are about 7 old and the operation wants to upgrade to SR20's. Double the investment, substantial increase in monthly and hourly costs. Plus I'll have to train to upgrade to glass panels (8 hrs). Currently have 210 hrs. VFR OTT. Most of night rating. No intention of getting IFR rating. No other fractional operation around so it's SR20 or back to the beaters (182 or Arrow) at the flying club. Recommendations anyone? Thanks, Marc -- My suggestion is that you stay with the Skylane(s). run the numbers but I bet with the insurance etc your hourly cost skyrocket, I dont see a mission requirement that dictates the SR20...and can you carry as much (both volume and mass)? Loverly (grin) countryside up there. My first Boeing type rating came at the Boeing factory (the B-737/300 when it was new) and we took one up to that part of the country and let me do "touch and goes". Vancouver is just wonderful. What a gig you must have. Robert |
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Should I upgrade from Skylane to Cirrus SR20?
Marc CYBW writes:
Comments? You place too much faith in a big red handle. |
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