Myth: 1 G barrel rolls are impossible.

Bob Moore wrote in
46.128:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote
You must have also known Sal Labate before his fall from grace.

Ah yes....Uncle Sal. :-) Sal had to do something with all of that
ill gotten money, so he started Guy America Airways to be fronted
by his nephew Tony Terri who took a leave from his PanAm FE job.

I flew B-707s there for about a year. Also served as Manager of
Flight Crew Training and B-707 Check Airman.

For PAA or GAA?

Nobody ever figured out what Uncle Sal was supposed to be doing back
there in a corner all by himself. Our headquarters was located in
Queens.

Of course, we had all heard about Sal's medical retirement from an
American Airlines DC-10 Captain job with a "funny" heart attack.

Do you know the real truth about Sal?

Well, I know about where he got some of his money, alright. I know about
the Douglas in the forest, too. I heard he wormed his way out of the
mess somehow as well..
I met him a good few times. He was always around invovled in some
hairbrained scheme or another. I remember he had a "Flying Circus" he
based at Woodbine, NJ, close to the shore. they had a Sopwith Camel
Replica, a Fokker DR1 and a Stampe as well as a Cub and a couple of
other things to give rides in. They advertised on the radio most of the
summer for their weekend airshows but I doubt that more than a few
hundred came to see it all summer.. Half the time they couldn't get the
airplanes started. Actually the best part of it was a flying fool act
done by some local farmer in a Cub and Sal's Stampe display, which was
quite tidy.. One of my friends was involved with him repairing some of
his airplanes when he was stil in high school so I was up at his place
on the Delaware a couple of times with him. He had some cool airplanes!

There are an incredible number of scoundrels involved in aviation!

Chuck Weldon is another one who springs to mind..


Bertie

On 2007-06-12 18:23:41 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip said:

Bob Moore wrote in
46.128:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote
You must have also known Sal Labate before his fall from grace.

Ah yes....Uncle Sal. :-) Sal had to do something with all of that
ill gotten money, so he started Guy America Airways to be fronted
by his nephew Tony Terri who took a leave from his PanAm FE job.

I flew B-707s there for about a year. Also served as Manager of
Flight Crew Training and B-707 Check Airman.

For PAA or GAA?

Nobody ever figured out what Uncle Sal was supposed to be doing back
there in a corner all by himself. Our headquarters was located in
Queens.

Of course, we had all heard about Sal's medical retirement from an
American Airlines DC-10 Captain job with a "funny" heart attack.

Do you know the real truth about Sal?

Well, I know about where he got some of his money, alright. I know about
the Douglas in the forest, too. I heard he wormed his way out of the
mess somehow as well..
I met him a good few times. He was always around invovled in some
hairbrained scheme or another. I remember he had a "Flying Circus" he
based at Woodbine, NJ, close to the shore. they had a Sopwith Camel
Replica, a Fokker DR1 and a Stampe as well as a Cub and a couple of
other things to give rides in. They advertised on the radio most of the
summer for their weekend airshows but I doubt that more than a few
hundred came to see it all summer.. Half the time they couldn't get the
airplanes started. Actually the best part of it was a flying fool act
done by some local farmer in a Cub and Sal's Stampe display, which was
quite tidy.. One of my friends was involved with him repairing some of
his airplanes when he was stil in high school so I was up at his place
on the Delaware a couple of times with him. He had some cool airplanes!

There are an incredible number of scoundrels involved in aviation!

Chuck Weldon is another one who springs to mind..


Bertie

Don't forget Jim Bede, not that he was a scoundrel, but what a mess
they made of the BD5 kit situation :-))
And then there was Jesse Stallings and Capitol Airways operating out of
Symyrna Georgia and Wilmington Delaware and Anchorage Alaska. I knew
their chief pilot fairly well. We shared a Cessna 336 together. I
learned more about loose good looking women and good booze from the
good folks at Capitol then I did anywhere else in my entire career in
aviation
:-)
Dudley

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007061218562916807-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 18:23:41 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip
said:

Bob Moore wrote in
46.128:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote
You must have also known Sal Labate before his fall from grace.

Ah yes....Uncle Sal. :-) Sal had to do something with all of that
ill gotten money, so he started Guy America Airways to be fronted
by his nephew Tony Terri who took a leave from his PanAm FE job.

I flew B-707s there for about a year. Also served as Manager of
Flight Crew Training and B-707 Check Airman.

For PAA or GAA?

Nobody ever figured out what Uncle Sal was supposed to be doing back
there in a corner all by himself. Our headquarters was located in
Queens.

Of course, we had all heard about Sal's medical retirement from an
American Airlines DC-10 Captain job with a "funny" heart attack.

Do you know the real truth about Sal?

Well, I know about where he got some of his money, alright. I know
about the Douglas in the forest, too. I heard he wormed his way out
of the mess somehow as well..
I met him a good few times. He was always around invovled in some
hairbrained scheme or another. I remember he had a "Flying Circus" he
based at Woodbine, NJ, close to the shore. they had a Sopwith Camel
Replica, a Fokker DR1 and a Stampe as well as a Cub and a couple of
other things to give rides in. They advertised on the radio most of
the summer for their weekend airshows but I doubt that more than a
few hundred came to see it all summer.. Half the time they couldn't
get the airplanes started. Actually the best part of it was a flying
fool act done by some local farmer in a Cub and Sal's Stampe display,
which was quite tidy.. One of my friends was involved with him
repairing some of his airplanes when he was stil in high school so I
was up at his place on the Delaware a couple of times with him. He
had some cool airplanes!

There are an incredible number of scoundrels involved in aviation!

Chuck Weldon is another one who springs to mind..


Bertie

Don't forget Jim Bede, not that he was a scoundrel, but what a mess
they made of the BD5 kit situation :-))

Oh God. Never even saw him, even at Osh or Rockford, but the devastation
left in his wake is truly astonishing..
You must have met his nitwit minion Juan over in RAH at some point..

And then there was Jesse Stallings and Capitol Airways operating out
of Symyrna Georgia and Wilmington Delaware and Anchorage Alaska. I
knew their chief pilot fairly well. We shared a Cessna 336 together. I
learned more about loose good looking women and good booze from the
good folks at Capitol then I did anywhere else in my entire career in
aviation

I rode on them once. Never have I met a woman more deserving of the
title "broad" than their #1.


Bertie

On 2007-06-12 19:03:46 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip said:



I rode on them once. Never have I met a woman more deserving of the
title "broad" than their #1.

That would be Carol Bowersox I'll bet. Carol was chief stew in charge
of training and one HELL of a woman :-))


Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007061219085050073-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 19:03:46 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip
said:



I rode on them once. Never have I met a woman more deserving of the
title "broad" than their #1.

That would be Carol Bowersox I'll bet. Carol was chief stew in charge
of training and one HELL of a woman :-))


Well, they were all pretty, um, "Brooklynish".

I got a free drink on the airline due to a massive delay. whe I went up to
the Stew's station looking for another I found her slumped in her seat,
shoes off, her feet parked up on the bulkhead in front of her doing her
nails.
"May I have another G&T", says I.
"Yeh,, it's an da lockah down dere, get it yerself, two bucks" Says she.

Classy.

I also remember that whoever was driving (DC-8) was the coarsest pilot on
the stick I had ever been behind (I've met worse since) all manuevering was
done with an ey to moving the airplane as quickly as possible to the
bank/pitch desired.. It was like being in space mountain..

Bertie

On 2007-06-12 19:20:16 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip said:

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007061219085050073-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 19:03:46 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip
said:



I rode on them once. Never have I met a woman more deserving of the
title "broad" than their #1.

That would be Carol Bowersox I'll bet. Carol was chief stew in charge
of training and one HELL of a woman :-))


Well, they were all pretty, um, "Brooklynish".

I got a free drink on the airline due to a massive delay. whe I went up to
the Stew's station looking for another I found her slumped in her seat,
shoes off, her feet parked up on the bulkhead in front of her doing her
nails.
"May I have another G&T", says I.
"Yeh,, it's an da lockah down dere, get it yerself, two bucks" Says she.

Classy.

I also remember that whoever was driving (DC-8) was the coarsest pilot on
the stick I had ever been behind (I've met worse since) all manuevering was
done with an ey to moving the airplane as quickly as possible to the
bank/pitch desired.. It was like being in space mountain..

Bertie

Yeah, the girls could be a bit "laid back" at times :-))

Sounds like one of the stretch 8's you were in. If I recall, that bird
had a double rotation bug on the ADI requiring an initial rotation,
then another to avoid nailing the tail on takeoff. The Capitol guys did
catch the tail a few times as I remember :-))
They had some good drivers and some bad ones like every outfit I guess.
I know Jack Selby was one of the best sticks I ever flew with. Jack was
Capitol's CP, and Gus Musante was also very good.
Gus had a Ryan PT22 that was beautifully restored. If you could fly
that thing without breaking your neck, you could fly anything.
Dudley

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007061219422216807-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 19:20:16 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip
said:

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007061219085050073-dhenriques@rcncom:

On 2007-06-12 19:03:46 -0400, Bertie the Bunyip
said:



I rode on them once. Never have I met a woman more deserving of the
title "broad" than their #1.

That would be Carol Bowersox I'll bet. Carol was chief stew in
charge of training and one HELL of a woman :-))


Well, they were all pretty, um, "Brooklynish".

I got a free drink on the airline due to a massive delay. whe I went
up to the Stew's station looking for another I found her slumped in
her seat, shoes off, her feet parked up on the bulkhead in front of
her doing her nails.
"May I have another G&T", says I.
"Yeh,, it's an da lockah down dere, get it yerself, two bucks" Says
she.

Classy.

I also remember that whoever was driving (DC-8) was the coarsest
pilot on the stick I had ever been behind (I've met worse since) all
manuevering was done with an ey to moving the airplane as quickly as
possible to the bank/pitch desired.. It was like being in space
mountain..

Bertie

Yeah, the girls could be a bit "laid back" at times :-))

Sounds like one of the stretch 8's you were in. If I recall, that
bird had a double rotation bug on the ADI requiring an initial
rotation, then another to avoid nailing the tail on takeoff. The
Capitol guys did catch the tail a few times as I remember :-))

Mm, wouldn't be surprised. It was a stretch 8, allright. no partitions,
either. You could clearly see the fuselage flex from the inside during
rotation..

They had some good drivers and some bad ones like every outfit I
guess. I know Jack Selby was one of the best sticks I ever flew with.
Jack was Capitol's CP, and Gus Musante was also very good.
Gus had a Ryan PT22 that was beautifully restored. If you could fly
that thing without breaking your neck, you could fly anything.
Dudley


I have flown one of those without breaking my neck!

Didn';t do the guy that built the GeeBee E replica any good, though. He
got a PT 22 checkout and then bent his airplane on his very first flight
in it (after Delmar Benjiman pronounced it sound) I think the guy's name
was Crosby who built it.

I liked the Ryan. There as an STA at Van Sant also, but I never was
invited to fly it..


Bertie

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote

For PAA or GAA?

GAA....Came there from the Chief Pilot job at Aero Airways in
Miami. Had maintenance and fuel problems there with the owner.

Bob

Bob Moore wrote in
46.128:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote

For PAA or GAA?

GAA....Came there from the Chief Pilot job at Aero Airways in
Miami. Had maintenance and fuel problems there with the owner.


No! I've never heard of such a thing in aviation! Especailly in Miami!


Bertie