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"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote: David E. Powell wrote: Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc.... it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes. The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive. It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle the cabin is 68 inches wide, and 66.23 inches high, that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide Vince At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an easy shoot-down. I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown tactic too. Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam. Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September? First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction? Rob |
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"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote: David E. Powell wrote: Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc.... it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes. The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive. It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle the cabin is 68 inches wide, and 66.23 inches high, that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide Vince At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an easy shoot-down. I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown tactic too. Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam. Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September? First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction? Rob You don't see how sick it is for someone who has never put his neck on the line to place bets on the deaths of those who do? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"
On Jun 13, 6:23�pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote: On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote: David E. Powell wrote: Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc.... it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes. The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive. It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle the cabin is 68 inches wide, and 66.23 inches high, that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide Vince At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an easy shoot-down. I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown tactic too. Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam. Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September? First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction? Rob * *You don't see how sick it is for someone who has never put his neck on the line to place bets on the deaths of those who do? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The USMC gambled with US soldiers lives when it falsified the test records on the Osprey-forget about that? And if proven rotorcraft like an Apache armored helo needs escort in Iraq what do you think will happen to the more vunerable transitional flight V-22 when it attempts to transition for landing or take-off? I can see the AKs and RPGs flying already... Rob |
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"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 6:23�pm, Dan wrote: Rob Arndt wrote: On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote: David E. Powell wrote: Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc.... it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes. The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive. It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle the cabin is 68 inches wide, and 66.23 inches high, that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide Vince At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an easy shoot-down. I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown tactic too. Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam. Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September? First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction? Rob � �You don't see how sick it is for someone who has never put his neck on the line to place bets on the deaths of those who do? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The USMC gambled with US soldiers lives when it falsified the test records on the Osprey-forget about that? And if proven rotorcraft like an Apache armored helo needs escort in Iraq what do you think will happen to the more vunerable transitional flight V-22 when it attempts to transition for landing or take-off? I can see the AKs and RPGs flying already... Rob Many aircraft need armed escort for some of their missions, why would Osprey be any different? AKs fly? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"
On Jun 13, 6:42�pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote: On Jun 13, 6:23 pm, Dan wrote: Rob Arndt wrote: On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote: David E. Powell wrote: Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc..... it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes. The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive. It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle the cabin is 68 inches wide, and 66.23 inches high, that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide Vince At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an easy shoot-down. I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown tactic too. Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam. Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September? First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction? Rob You don't see how sick it is for someone who has never put his neck on the line to place bets on the deaths of those who do? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The USMC gambled with US soldiers lives when it falsified the test records on the Osprey-forget about that? And if proven rotorcraft like an Apache armored helo needs escort in Iraq what do you think will happen to the more vunerable transitional flight V-22 when it attempts to transition for landing or take-off? I can see the AKs and RPGs flying already... Rob * *Many aircraft need armed escort for some of their missions, why would Osprey be any different? * *AKs fly? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Being stupid again? Yes, it should read AKs firing and RPGs flying... but you knew what I meant anyway... I only wish if you were gonna play English teacher you would do it with everyone here on RAM. Regarding the Apache, this was supposed to be the premiere armored attack helo in the world able to stand up to best Soviet/Russian battlefield weapons; instead, it is fairly easy prey for raghead insurgents with nothing more than AKs and RPGs... so much for that myth of invincibility. We should have learned that from the fast and armored Mil-24 Hinds in Afghanistan. We laughed at their losses... yet lament our own... The V-22 Easyprey will be not exception. If I was a US Army soldier headed for Iraq in September I would be pukin' my guts out if I knew the V-22 was my ride. SFs can handle them b/c the best consider themselves already dead before starting a mission. Not the same from your low-IQ Wal-Mart recruit. But if it is any consolation Dan I do not believe that had the Nazis got their tilt-rotor paper projects operational that they would have been any good either... unless Hanna Reitsch was the pilot Rob |
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"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"
David E. Powell wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote: David E. Powell wrote: Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc.... it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes. The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive. It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle the cabin is 68 inches wide, and 66.23 inches high, that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide Vince At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an easy shoot-down. I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown tactic too. Do you mean at "hit it with a rock " altitude? Vince |
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"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote: David E. Powell wrote: Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc.... it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes. The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive. It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle the cabin is 68 inches wide, and 66.23 inches high, that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide Vince At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an easy shoot-down. I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown tactic too. Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam. Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September? First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction? Rob don't worry these china dolls will be kept very far from any real combat. Vince |
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"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"
Vince wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote: On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote: On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote: David E. Powell wrote: Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc.... it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes. The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive. It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle the cabin is 68 inches wide, and 66.23 inches high, that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide Vince At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an easy shoot-down. I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown tactic too. Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam. Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September? First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction? Rob don't worry these china dolls will be kept very far from any real combat. Vince Just like you and aren't. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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