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Old June 15th 07, 02:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Barrow[_4_]
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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tjd wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:01 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Without casting doubts on your accuracy,
I'd have to say that the story just doesn't
ring right.


It sounds silly, but nevertheless is apparently true:

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/148115.html



OK, Now I understand what happened. ATC didn't understand what was said
and couldn't contact the pilot to clear it up.

"The air traffic controller frantically tried to verify what he had heard,
but the pilot had turned off his radio, Yates said."

He's flying over an AF base and turns off his radio?


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Old June 15th 07, 02:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Roy Smith
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In article ,
"Matt Barrow" wrote:

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
tjd wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:01 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Without casting doubts on your accuracy,
I'd have to say that the story just doesn't
ring right.

It sounds silly, but nevertheless is apparently true:

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/148115.html



OK, Now I understand what happened. ATC didn't understand what was said
and couldn't contact the pilot to clear it up.

"The air traffic controller frantically tried to verify what he had heard,
but the pilot had turned off his radio, Yates said."

He's flying over an AF base and turns off his radio?


I like the bit about, "As a courtesy, the pilot informed the air traffic
tower at the base that he was entering the basešs airspace."
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Old June 15th 07, 02:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Barrow[_4_]
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"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Matt Barrow" wrote:

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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"The air traffic controller frantically tried to verify what he had
heard,
but the pilot had turned off his radio, Yates said."

He's flying over an AF base and turns off his radio?


I like the bit about, "As a courtesy, the pilot informed the air traffic
tower at the base that he was entering the basešs airspace."


Good manners are SOOO important.



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Old June 15th 07, 05:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
john smith[_2_]
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In article ,
"Matt Barrow" wrote:

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
tjd wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:01 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Without casting doubts on your accuracy,
I'd have to say that the story just doesn't
ring right.

It sounds silly, but nevertheless is apparently true:

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/148115.html



OK, Now I understand what happened. ATC didn't understand what was said
and couldn't contact the pilot to clear it up.

"The air traffic controller frantically tried to verify what he had heard,
but the pilot had turned off his radio, Yates said."

He's flying over an AF base and turns off his radio?


Once one reports clear of the CDAS there is not longer any requirement
to remain on frequency.
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Old June 15th 07, 07:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Gig 601XL Builder
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john smith wrote:
In article ,
"Matt Barrow" wrote:

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
tjd wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:01 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Without casting doubts on your accuracy,
I'd have to say that the story just doesn't
ring right.

It sounds silly, but nevertheless is apparently true:

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/148115.html


OK, Now I understand what happened. ATC didn't understand what was
said and couldn't contact the pilot to clear it up.

"The air traffic controller frantically tried to verify what he had
heard, but the pilot had turned off his radio, Yates said."

He's flying over an AF base and turns off his radio?


Once one reports clear of the CDAS there is not longer any requirement
to remain on frequency.


I didn't say there was. The point is that the controller heard him say
something that made him think there was a problem. To confirm he tried to
contact him and he didn't answer. This would have magnified the concern he
already had.

What do you think would have happened to the controller if he had just blown
off his concern and the aircraft had been hijacked? Keep in mind that about
90% of the post 9/11 changes have been nothing more than CYA procedures.


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Old June 15th 07, 10:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
john smith[_2_]
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

What do you think would have happened to the controller if he had just blown
off his concern and the aircraft had been hijacked? Keep in mind that about
90% of the post 9/11 changes have been nothing more than CYA procedures.


All they had to do was listen to the tapes.
They have them right there in the facility with them.
 




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