Flight plans lost?

Viperdoc wrote:


Anyone else seen similar behavior? Is it a problem with Voyager, or is the
FAA system screwed up worse than usual?


Can't vouch for Voyager, but I rarely lose a plan filed with the CSC
DUAT. The major issue in losing any plan is:

Wrong P-Time (screw up the local to GMT conversion or whatever)
Point of departure not one that routes to the controller you're
talking to.

I pretty sure Voyager just translates and sends through the normal DUAT
services (either). The program supposedly translates the times to GMT, since
the printout looks like a normal flight plan.

Thinking about it, it seems like the Voyager plans are hit or miss, while
I've never had a problem with the Jepp program.


"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Viperdoc wrote:


Anyone else seen similar behavior? Is it a problem with Voyager, or is
the FAA system screwed up worse than usual?

Can't vouch for Voyager, but I rarely lose a plan filed with the CSC
DUAT. The major issue in losing any plan is:

Wrong P-Time (screw up the local to GMT conversion or whatever)
Point of departure not one that routes to the controller you're
talking to.

On 2007-06-21 06:16:03 -0700, "Viperdoc" said:

I pretty sure Voyager just translates and sends through the normal DUAT
services (either). The program supposedly translates the times to GMT, since
the printout looks like a normal flight plan.

Thinking about it, it seems like the Voyager plans are hit or miss, while
I've never had a problem with the Jepp program.

Actually, I have had problems with FliteStar in the past, but it was
several years ago. I asked Oakland tower about it and they mumbled
something about how if you file through DUATS it goes through some kind
of central processing system and it is very hard to modify (easier to
just file a whole new flight plan) and sometimes they don't get it at
all. Whereas, if you file locally they have access to the whole thing.
I cannot say that I understood the explanation.

Now that things are getting a little more settled and I have time to
shop for a plane (I am thinking a new Skyhawk) I am going to have to
consider my flight planning options. FliteStar won't run on OS X or
Vista, so I would have to use an old computer. Jeppesen seems to have a
hard time keeping up with the technology.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Jun 21, 7:31 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-06-21 06:16:03 -0700, "Viperdoc" said:

I pretty sure Voyager just translates and sends through the normal DUAT
services (either). The program supposedly translates the times to GMT, since
the printout looks like a normal flight plan.

Thinking about it, it seems like the Voyager plans are hit or miss, while
I've never had a problem with the Jepp program.

Actually, I have had problems with FliteStar in the past, but it was
several years ago. I asked Oakland tower about it and they mumbled
something about how if you file through DUATS it goes through some kind
of central processing system and it is very hard to modify (easier to
just file a whole new flight plan) and sometimes they don't get it at
all. Whereas, if you file locally they have access to the whole thing.
I cannot say that I understood the explanation.

Now that things are getting a little more settled and I have time to
shop for a plane (I am thinking a new Skyhawk) I am going to have to
consider my flight planning options. FliteStar won't run on OS X or
Vista, so I would have to use an old computer. Jeppesen seems to have a
hard time keeping up with the technology.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Hi CJ,

AirPlan runs under Vista... have you tried it?

Dean

On 2007-06-21 08:18:21 -0700, said:

On Jun 21, 7:31 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-06-21 06:16:03 -0700, "Viperdoc" said:

I pretty sure Voyager just translates and sends through the normal DUAT
services (either). The program supposedly translates the times to GMT, since
the printout looks like a normal flight plan.

Thinking about it, it seems like the Voyager plans are hit or miss, while
I've never had a problem with the Jepp program.

Actually, I have had problems with FliteStar in the past, but it was
several years ago. I asked Oakland tower about it and they mumbled
something about how if you file through DUATS it goes through some kind
of central processing system and it is very hard to modify (easier to
just file a whole new flight plan) and sometimes they don't get it at
all. Whereas, if you file locally they have access to the whole thing.
I cannot say that I understood the explanation.

Now that things are getting a little more settled and I have time to
shop for a plane (I am thinking a new Skyhawk) I am going to have to
consider my flight planning options. FliteStar won't run on OS X or
Vista, so I would have to use an old computer. Jeppesen seems to have a
hard time keeping up with the technology.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Hi CJ,

AirPlan runs under Vista... have you tried it?

Dean

Not yet.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Jun 21, 10:45 pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-06-21 08:18:21 -0700, said:





On Jun 21, 7:31 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-06-21 06:16:03 -0700, "Viperdoc" said:

I pretty sure Voyager just translates and sends through the normal DUAT
services (either). The program supposedly translates the times to GMT, since
the printout looks like a normal flight plan.

Thinking about it, it seems like the Voyager plans are hit or miss, while
I've never had a problem with the Jepp program.

Actually, I have had problems with FliteStar in the past, but it was
several years ago. I asked Oakland tower about it and they mumbled
something about how if you file through DUATS it goes through some kind
of central processing system and it is very hard to modify (easier to
just file a whole new flight plan) and sometimes they don't get it at
all. Whereas, if you file locally they have access to the whole thing.
I cannot say that I understood the explanation.

Now that things are getting a little more settled and I have time to
shop for a plane (I am thinking a new Skyhawk) I am going to have to
consider my flight planning options. FliteStar won't run on OS X or
Vista, so I would have to use an old computer. Jeppesen seems to have a
hard time keeping up with the technology.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Hi CJ,

AirPlan runs under Vista... have you tried it?

Dean

Not yet.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor- Hide quoted text -

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CJ,

You can't beat the price, its only $10 now, and you can try if for 60
days first.

Dean

wrote

AirPlan runs under Vista... have you tried it?

Surprising.

My brother tells me that Vista doesn't run well......

with Vista!

Interesting that I have heard that Dell has quit offering Vista as the
standard OS.

My brother tells me (a computer using electrical engineer) that his
screaming fast new computer is so slow with Vista, that he often goes and
takes a bathroom break while it opens Adobe.

I'm not a micro$oft basher, but they screwed up big, this time.
--
Jim in NC

On Jun 23, 8:17 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
wrote

AirPlan runs under Vista... have you tried it?

Surprising.

My brother tells me that Vista doesn't run well......

with Vista!

Interesting that I have heard that Dell has quit offering Vista as the
standard OS.

My brother tells me (a computer using electrical engineer) that his
screaming fast new computer is so slow with Vista, that he often goes and
takes a bathroom break while it opens Adobe.

I'm not a micro$oft basher, but they screwed up big, this time.
--
Jim in NC

Jim,

Yes, I plan on avoiding Vista until I have heard otherwise... so far I
hear the same. At least I know that users of my software can run
under Vista. It doesn't like to allow the registration function to
work, but I have a work-around for that... I send a license file to
Vista users.

Dean

"Morgans" wrote:


My brother tells me (a computer using electrical engineer) that his
screaming fast new computer is so slow with Vista, that he often goes and
takes a bathroom break while it opens Adobe.

I'm not a micro$oft basher, but they screwed up big, this time.

Indeed.

We have no plans in our business for "upgrading" to Vista; not for customers'
machines, technicians' laptops or our own office workstations. We'll buy XP
Pro refurbs if we have to for as long as we can.

This will be a real test of Microsoft's power. It might be just the boost
Linux needs to go mainstream in a big way.

And you know Apple loves it.


--
Dan

“I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my
telephone; my wish has come true, because I can no longer figure out how
to use my telephone.”
- Bjarne Stroustrup

This will be a real test of Microsoft's power.

Microsoft can just wait, and machines will get more powerful, and people
will get used to the intrusive security.

Jose
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