Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)

What is interesting is that in Mexico and parts of South America, the
controllers speak Spanish with local (or domestic) flights, and
english with international flights.
KB.


This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's. It was interesting that even at the local Brazilian FBO,
there was no CFI who spoke English even though the Brazilian
requirements include a proficiency requirement in English!

writes:

This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

On Jun 29, 1:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

Boy are you clueless...

On Jun 29, 12:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

You should try flying some time. There is a difference between
"minimum requirements" and "useful information".

-Robert

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In rec.aviation.piloting Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jun 29, 12:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

Pathetically clueless. Sometimes I feel I should pity you. But
you're wrong most to all of the time, so I don't; you deserve the
(negative) feedback you get for your mistakes.

You should try flying some time. There is a difference between
"minimum requirements" and "useful information".

He already mentioned that he doesn't want to step foot anywhere
inside a plane, but when is given the right information by pilots and
controllers here and other places, he argues that they are wrong.

Either way, back on topic. On the KLAS LiveATC feed today, a
pilot was having radio issues (carrier, no voice). ATC couldn't hear
him, but other pilots could. So ATC asked another pilot to relay what
ATC was asking him to do. That worked and through that proxy pilot, ATC
got that pilot back on the ground so he could work on the radio.

Plus, Anthony, 4 words. Common. Traffic. Advisory. Frequency.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Plus, Anthony, 4 words. Common. Traffic. Advisory. Frequency.

CTAF is not ATC.

Why don't you go back to wherever you were for the past week and bother some
other people for a change?

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You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.


This guy is unbelievable!
What's that riddle about the two brothers - one always lies and the other
always tells the truth? You have to devise a question to ask both to determine
who is the liar.

This guy is so consistently wrong about everything he says that one can
determine the truth from it!! If he makes a statement, you can be relatively
certain the opposite is true . . .

Mxsmanic wrote:
You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

you're an idiot

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Mxsmanic wrote:
You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other
than ATC, so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there
is a problem.

you're an idiot


Hey, long time. How's mom?

Bertie