Bad Engrish?

Thomas Borchert writes:

It's an easy sentence, agreed. However, it is NOT a sentence in the AIM
nor the Pilot/Controller Glossary or the ICAO standard phraseology.

The AIM and glossary do not provide sentences, only sentence fragments (with
rare exceptions).

It is
also not the proper way to phrase a question in standard phraseology. It
is plain English, but that doesn't help a foreigner trained to expect
standard aviation phraseology. And THAT is exactly what standard
phraseology is for.

If the foreigner can understand English, he can understand "non-standard"
phrases.

Mxsmanic,

The AIM and glossary do not provide sentences, only sentence fragments (with
rare exceptions).

Read them (again)!

If the foreigner can understand English, he can understand "non-standard"
phrases.

He is not required to understand general English, he is required to understand
aviation English and standard phraseology. There's a reason common language
questions are a no-no in radio work. Even you can figure it out.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Mxsmanic,

The AIM and glossary do not provide sentences, only sentence fragments
(with
rare exceptions).

Read them (again)!

If the foreigner can understand English, he can understand "non-standard"
phrases.

He is not required to understand general English, he is required to
understand
aviation English and standard phraseology. There's a reason common
language
questions are a no-no in radio work.

Even you can figure it out.

Apparantly not.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On 2007-06-29 12:29:15 -0700, Thomas Borchert
said:

Mxsmanic,

The AIM and glossary do not provide sentences, only sentence fragments (with
rare exceptions).

Read them (again)!

If the foreigner can understand English, he can understand "non-standard"
phrases.

He is not required to understand general English, he is required to understand
aviation English and standard phraseology.

That is not what the regulations say. He is required to understand
English. Believe it or not, people have to be able to talk to pilots.
It is impossible to have a book with every possible phrase that might
be needed in aviation.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:34:07 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:

That is not what the regulations say. He is required to understand
English.

The ICAO will require as of March of 2008, that all pilots flying
internationally and all Air Traffic Controllers must pass the ICAO level 4
language standards exam for English proficiency.

In this case:
d. handle successfully and with relative ease the linguistic challenges
presented by a complication or unexpected turn of events that occurs within
the context of a routine work situation or communicative task with which
they are otherwise familiar; and

e. use a dialect or accent which is intelligible to the aeronautical
community.


Details:
http://www.icao.int/icao/en/trivia/peltrgFAQ.htm#20

--
Dallas

Thomas Borchert writes:

Read them (again)!

Reading them again will not change what they say.

He is not required to understand general English, he is required to understand
aviation English and standard phraseology.

There is no difference between the two, unfortunately.

This is similar to the illusion that there exists a "business English" that is
somehow easier to learn than standard English. In fact, there is no such
thing--English is English--but language schools promote the illusion because
it brings in more customers (who mistakenly believe that they can get away
with learning something "simple" instead of standard English to communicate).

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Thomas Borchert writes:

Read them (again)!

Reading them again will not change what they say.

He is not required to understand general English, he is required to
understand aviation English and standard phraseology.

There is no difference between the two, unfortunately.

Yes,there is, It's written in law,. So wrong again. #




Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Thomas Borchert writes:

It's an easy sentence, agreed. However, it is NOT a sentence in the
AIM nor the Pilot/Controller Glossary or the ICAO standard
phraseology.

The AIM and glossary do not provide sentences, only sentence fragments
(with rare exceptions).

It is
also not the proper way to phrase a question in standard phraseology.
It is plain English, but that doesn't help a foreigner trained to
expect standard aviation phraseology. And THAT is exactly what
standard phraseology is for.

If the foreigner can understand English, he can understand
"non-standard" phrases.


God you're an idiot.

Bertie