ID Theft -- Courtesy of the FAA

"quietguy" wrote in message
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On Jul 4, 10:27 am, Ron Natalie wrote:
Given the number of network scavengers around
this group, I suspect we could track the culprit down in short order
given your N number.

Yes, but posting my N-number more widely is one thing I'm trying to
avoid. I gave it privately to Al G after he privately sent me a
listing of all Pilatuses in the country. I've examined that list and
there's no good candidate for an honestly misremembered and transposed
number; the closest has one digit that's an 8 versus my 9 -- I can't
see anyone making that mistake, even with the briefest of glances.

Maybe not with a glance, but with a quick scribble. He wrote an 8 that
looked like a 9.

My money's on that one.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

Yeah...it's what happens when someone knowingly and willfully files a
false calim against you, encumbering your credit rating.

Who said anything about encumbering the credit rating?

CJ did (as a part of "pursuit.....)

We're talking about billing. Even reporting the debt to a credit agency
isn't actionable defamation unless you go through the due process provided
you and you can actually prove that you were somehow damaged in the
process.

That's why CJ said "...if they pursue". He was talking about an end result;
can't you get that through your (thick, temporarily hysterical) head.



Your better bet would be to pursue them for violations of the FDCPA.

Why?, you seem to be doing a good job shrilling about that one.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
Even in the avgas burners, much of it is on the honor system.
I've had gas pumped where they just take my N-number. They
assume you're going to come in and settle up before you leave.

At a card swipe gas pump?

"El Maximo" wrote in message
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"quietguy" wrote in message
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On Jul 4, 10:27 am, Ron Natalie wrote:
Given the number of network scavengers around
this group, I suspect we could track the culprit down in short order
given your N number.

Yes, but posting my N-number more widely is one thing I'm trying to
avoid. I gave it privately to Al G after he privately sent me a
listing of all Pilatuses in the country. I've examined that list and
there's no good candidate for an honestly misremembered and transposed
number; the closest has one digit that's an 8 versus my 9 -- I can't
see anyone making that mistake, even with the briefest of glances.

Maybe not with a glance, but with a quick scribble. He wrote an 8 that
looked like a 9.

My money's on that one.

Help me, please! I'm failing to see how this all relates to the OP about a
CC gotten though identity theft via the FAA database?

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
Even in the avgas burners, much of it is on the honor system.
I've had gas pumped where they just take my N-number. They
assume you're going to come in and settle up before you leave.

At a card swipe gas pump?


No, at places with human fuelers.

On Jul 4, 12:43 pm, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"El Maximo" wrote in message

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"quietguy" wrote in message
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On Jul 4, 10:27 am, Ron Natalie wrote:
Given the number of network scavengers around
this group, I suspect we could track the culprit down in short order
given your N number.

Yes, but posting my N-number more widely is one thing I'm trying to
avoid. I gave it privately to Al G after he privately sent me a
listing of all Pilatuses in the country. I've examined that list and
there's no good candidate for an honestly misremembered and transposed
number; the closest has one digit that's an 8 versus my 9 -- I can't
see anyone making that mistake, even with the briefest of glances.

Maybe not with a glance, but with a quick scribble. He wrote an 8 that
looked like a 9.

My money's on that one.

Help me, please! I'm failing to see how this all relates to the OP about a
CC gotten though identity theft via the FAA database?

Matt -
OP (quietguy) has since discovered and posted that there was no CC
involved, just an N-number written down by a FBO clerk.
It looks doubtful that there was any identity theft via the FAA
database, but OP has raised some valid points about the availability
of info via the databases that everyone should be aware of.

I've just spoken with the FBO manager. ATC records identified the
Pilatus; its tail-number is not my reserved number. The number I
spotted on AL G's list as the only possible miscopied number is the
one; apparently the flustered lineman tried to write the number he
remembered while glancing at a parked airplane and the two numbers
merged in his mind. Result: my number. The FBO will handle the
matter without my further involvement. A strange incident; not as bad
as I had feared, but it's prompted me to take stronger steps to
protect my personal data. That's going to be a project of mine for
some time to come.

C J Campbell wrote:

On 2007-06-30 20:26:11 -0700, quietguy said:

His use of jet fuel is one thing
that will save me from having to pay for his travels. If he'd bought
100LL I might very well have been stuck for the tab; the FBO might
have argued that I'd used the not-yet-airborne tail-number to bolster
a fraudulent claim of identity theft after actually fueling a flyable
aircraft.

Pure nonsense. Federal laws limit your liability with stolen cards

True. The liability is limited to $50.00 for credit cards.

and
you have no liability at all for a fraudulent card.

Not necessarily, you could be liable for up to $50.00 under the regs/laws.
Mastercard and Visa both voluntarily limit liability to $0 for U.S. cards
*if* they agree that the transaction was fraud and *if* the card was from a
personal account. They don't extend this voluntary limit to business
credit cards. Beyond that, YMMV from bank to bank.

Peter cannot
collude with Paul to sell Paul 100 gallons of avgas (or anything else)
and make you pay for it. This is a fundamental point of common law -- a
third party cannot be bound by a contract between two other parties.

True



If the FBO pursued its claim against you, you would be able to sue them
for defamation, claim damages for fraud, and possibly press criminal
charges for conspiracy to defraud you.

Under many states' consumer protection laws, including NJ, MA, and PA, if
you receive a bill that you are not responsible for you can sue for treble
(triple) damages and court/attorney fees if the other parties does not make
things whole in a set time frame. Typically this involves sending a demand
letter protesting unfair business practices and waiting 30 days from
receipt for the other party to rescind the phony bills. Example statue:
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/gl-93a-toc.htm (particularly section
9). Hope this helps!

Dennis Johnson wrote:

I'm also confused by this. If the thief paid by credit card at a self-serve
pump, the FBO will get paid by the credit card company, no matter what.

Absolutely false. If you are a merchant and you accept a credit card that
proves to be fraudulent, sorry for you. The issuing bank will issue a charge
back to your bank and you will have the charges reversed. Plus you will pay a
significant charge back fee. If the situation happens automatically the fees
can go up and you can lose your merchant account.

That is why it behooves merchant to diligently check those signatures and hang
on to receipts with the signatures on them. If they accept credit cards without
signatures (e.g. at a self-fueling pump) the risks are increased and the
benefits of increased legitimate sales need to offset those risks.

Ron Natalie wrote:

quietguy wrote:
I've just received a "past due" invoice for the purchase of 250
gallons of Jet A from an FBO a thousand miles away on 20 May. The
invoice includes my name and address and the N-number of my airplane.
The trouble is: I'm not a jet pilot; haven't been to that city in
thirty years; the airplane with that N-number is still a-building in
my garage and it won't burn kerosene when it flies, anyway.


The airplane database is public knowledge. Use a corporation if
you want anonymity.

States allow the public to find the registered owners of corporations (or
members of LLC). Some states make this really easy to do online.