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On Jul 5, 8:44 pm, buttman wrote:
On Jul 5, 6:23 pm, "Vaughn Simon" wrote: Unless you are willing to lie on your FAA Form 8500-8, your state's records don't matter. The question is very plain:" History of (1) any conviction involving driving while intoxicated..." They mean just that..."any". You are not allowed to leave anything out. ...unless your record was expunged. If it got erased from your record, it never happened. Thats the whole point of going through the trouble of getting your record erased. No...not so much. The FAA is fairly clear on this. If you have a DWI no matter what has happened to it in the past you need to tell them that this has happened....you can explain it as it has been expunged etc. But you will risk airman certificate action if they find out independtly that you have had a DWI and did not inform them. Those words were chosen very carefully for that. Call up any FSDO and ask that question and you will I believe get that response. I know of at least two airline pilots who are doing something else because they lost their certificates in just such a manner. In both cases while the state in question had expunged the conviction because of "time"...other evidence was developed in a legal manner by federal law enforcement officers which pointed to a DWI and the FAA did not hesitate in initiating certificate action. Robert |
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Richard Riley wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:29:19 -0700, Luke Skywalker wrote: I know of at least two airline pilots who are doing something else because they lost their certificates in just such a manner. In both cases while the state in question had expunged the conviction because of "time"...other evidence was developed in a legal manner by federal law enforcement officers which pointed to a DWI and the FAA did not hesitate in initiating certificate action. http://www.bootsnall.com/guides/05-10/drunk-pilots.html Epilogue: Among the most inspirational stories out there is that of Northwest Airlines captain Lyle Prouse, one of the trio arrested that morning in Minneapolis in 1990. Prouse, an alcoholic whose parents had died of the disease, became a poster pilot of punishment and redemption. He was given 16 months in federal prison for flying drunk, and then, in a remarkable and improbable sequence of events, was able to return to the cockpit on his 60th birthday and retire as a 747 captain. Once out of jail, Prouse was forced to requalify for every one of his FAA licenses and ratings. Broke, he relied on a friend to lend him stick time in a single-engine trainer. Northwest's then-CEO John Dasburg, who himself had grown up in an alcoholic family, took personal interest in Prouse's struggle and lobbied publicly for his return. You'll see Prouse in TV interviews time to time, and inevitably you're struck by how forthrightly he takes responsibility, without resorting to the sobby self-flagellation of most public apologies. Always one is left, unexpectedly, to conclude this convicted felon deserved, and got, a second chance. I'd never have believed it myself until watching a network special about Prouse a few years ago. In 2001 Lyle Prouse was among those granted Presidential pardons by Bill Clinton. Much of Lyle's story can be read on the pprune forum. He starts at post #52 in the attached link. An amazing man and story. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=256861&page=3 |
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