Israeli Air Force to lose Middle East Air Superiority Capability to the Saudis in the near future

"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message
...
Arie Kazachin wrote:
In message -
(Jack White) writes:
snip

The IDF intelegence deny that happened as the CIA asked them not to
disclose
it. The world was afraid that Nixon had gone off the deep end and would
use
SAC Bombers already airborn 24 hours a day and fire the misiles in the
Silos
at the Russians as he warned them he would if they did what you say.
There
is no declasified information on Russian Pilots flying missions for the
Arab
side to this day.

Matt, this is nonsence.

It appears to me that YOU don't know about this but prefer to make the whole
topic a matter of some conspiracy theories and similar BS.

See the article "Red Stars over Egypt", by Mikhael Zhirokhov, published in
the British mag Air Pictorial, June, July, and August 2001: it reveals
almost everything about the Soviets in Egypt through the 1960s and 1970s.
Even such Soviet "Top Guns" like Oleg Tsoy (currently senior test pilot at
Sukhoi) were there and have flown MiGs in Egyptian markings.

There are of course the rhumors that it happened but no
IAF pilot, no Arab Pilot, and no Soviet Pilot has come forward about such
to
this day. Stop inventing stories and reporting unprovable things. Bottom
line in both those wars the Arabs lost their Airforce Capabilty to fight
while IAF turned to ground support missions only at the end.

Even more nonsence.

The Egyptians trained according to the Soviet doctrine in the 1960s and that
was the reason why they were unable to fight in 1967. They (the Egyptians)
went though a very painfull process of re-learning the basics of the
air-to-air combat at low levels during the War of Attrition. During this
process they re-wrote most of the Soviet combat manuals - especially those
for MiG-17, MiG-21, and Su-7. In 1970 the Soviets still had the same
approach to the quesitons of gunnery training and air-to-air combat like
before the Six Day War. By 1972, however, even they started teaching the
Syrians accordingly (only not their own pilots).

Could you ask yourself why?

And on the
ground things got worse. The Syrians in one Air Strike which every IAF
Plane returned safely home totally unchallanged accept for manually aimed
anti-aircraft-fire from Cira WWII heavy calaber machine guns on turrets,
destroyed the Syrian Equivolent of the War Room/Pentagon with every
military
man worth a damn in planing a stratidgy.

This is laughable. Where is this from?

Do you know what exactly was hit on 10 October? Where was the Syrian "War
Room"? You don't really believe it was placed in the middle of Damascus, or?

Where they got into the airspace
over the city was where they had taken out the two SAM Batteries.

The strike against the Syrian Army HQs involved no attacks against the SAM
batteries: the only such strikes on the Golan front were flown on the
morning of 7 October. Two F-4Es were shot down by SA-6s, two by ZSU-23-4s,
and two by MiG-21s for one SA-6 site and two MiGs in exchange.

The
Soviets built the air defense to have overlapping kill zones. I.e., there
are 5 batteries A B C D E . A overlaps the kill zone of B,
B
of A and C, C of B and D and D of C and E, E of D.

Take out B and C and you have a larger gap in between the kill zones.

Not even the Syrian air defences along Golan were organized according to
this (indeed Soviet) doctrine. They were organized according to Arab
experiences - with the help of Soviet weapons.

Mission to take out the threat is succesfull as the only important targets
that they protect (anything inside Damascus) is worth risking anything to
take out. The ones further south could be flown around, the mobile units
are
too hard to find and hit so left alone usually till they set up and become
a
target. But they can usually only fire one and then have to be reloaded
(about an hour long proceedure). Israel tended to ignore them and go for
strategic targets and only took on the SAMS in that war when they were in
the way of that.

Wrong without an end. The Israelis first hit the wall with their forehead
trying to target SAM-sites about which they didn't even know where these
should have been. The result was the Operation Dogman 5 ("Plan 5" or
something similar), which ended with such a catastrophe for the unit better
known in the public as the "201st Sqn" (50% loss in a single mission). Then
they learned the lesson and started flying interdiction strikes around the
Syrian SAM-belt, and CAS in the areas on the edges of the Egyptian SAM-belt.
Nevertheless, their Skyhawks had to fly CAS over Golan and on Sinai, and
their losses (not only to the SAMs, but foremost to MiGs and ZSU-23-4s) were
staggering - until the Arabs spent most of their SAMs, so that the IDF/AF
was free to maneuver.

Israel today makes a air-to-surface missile, once a radar
source is turned on, not even "painting" them it can be fired from about
20
miles out and it will even if they shut down all power hit the mark it is
totally locked in and it flies at low to the ground altitudes to boot. It
makes the US HARM systems old fasioned in that they need to have it paint
an
aircraft to lock on. Missiles with HARM systems have been known to take
out
the battery after the plane is shot down already.

And which missile should this be, please? Not the "Purple Fist" by accident?

If yes, be informed that this is actually the US-produced AGM-78 Standard
ARM, taken out of service in US military already in the late 1980s...

The "real news" to this topic is the Israeli-built Harpy ARM-UAV, capable of
cruising at a very low speed for hours over the battlefield and then
targeting only the radars specifically programmed into its seeker head, by a
near vertical "kamikaze-style" dive on their antennas.

You are totally streching, the Soviets were thought to have flown not
during
the Yom Kippur War but for Egypt in the six day war, that according to the
Liberty croud here, that their mission was to listen for proof of Soviet
Envolvement.

You're mixing almost everything. The Six Day War was fought in 1967, and
this was the war during which the Israelis attacked USS Liberty. During this
war there were only 35 Soviet instructors in Egypt, and these took no part
in fighting against Israel at all.

The number of Soviet "advisors" was constantly increasing since the end of
the Six Day War and during the War of Attrition, fought (actually) 1967-1973
(officially between 1968 and 1970), reaching the pike in March 1970, when a
whole Soviet air defence divison was deployed to Egypt. In 1972 Sadat
expelled most of the Soviet instructors out of Egypt, so that by 1973 there
were not many of them left there to fight at all. The 154th SAF (equipped
with MiG-25Rs) was deployed to Cairo West in the final days of the war and
flew only a handfull of sorties before the armistice.

Thus, during the October/Teshreen War, fought in 1973, the Soviets flew no
air battles against the Israelis: even East Germans, Poles, Noth Koreans,
Pakistanis, all the possible Arabs - and one British - did, just no Soviets.

BTW, the Soviets also flew combat sorties for Iraqis during the war with
Iran (or is this another "big secret" in your opinion?): two were killed
while flying MiG-27s, at least two more while flying MiG-25s - all in air
combats with Iranian F-14s. One more was shot down while flying MiG-27 by
Iranian Phantoms, but he survived.

In exchange they shot down nothing.

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...
Arie Kazachin wrote:
In message -
(Jack White) writes:
snip

The IDF intelegence deny that happened as the CIA asked them not to
disclose
it. The world was afraid that Nixon had gone off the deep end and
would
use
SAC Bombers already airborn 24 hours a day and fire the misiles in
the
Silos
at the Russians as he warned them he would if they did what you say.
There
is no declasified information on Russian Pilots flying missions for
the
Arab
side to this day.

Matt, this is nonsence.

It appears to me that YOU don't know about this but prefer to make
the whole topic a matter of some conspiracy theories and similar BS.

See the article "Red Stars over Egypt", by Mikhael Zhirokhov,
published in the British mag Air Pictorial, June, July, and August
2001: it reveals almost everything about the Soviets in Egypt through
the 1960s and 1970s. Even such Soviet "Top Guns" like Oleg Tsoy
(currently senior test pilot at Sukhoi) were there and have flown
MiGs in Egyptian markings.

There are of course the rhumors that it happened but no
IAF pilot, no Arab Pilot, and no Soviet Pilot has come forward about
such
to
this day. Stop inventing stories and reporting unprovable things.
Bottom line in both those wars the Arabs lost their Airforce
Capabilty to fight while IAF turned to ground support missions only
at the end.

Even more nonsence.

The Egyptians trained according to the Soviet doctrine in the 1960s
and that was the reason why they were unable to fight in 1967. They
(the Egyptians) went though a very painfull process of re-learning
the basics of the air-to-air combat at low levels during the War of
Attrition. During this process they re-wrote most of the Soviet
combat manuals - especially those for MiG-17, MiG-21, and Su-7. In
1970 the Soviets still had the same approach to the quesitons of
gunnery training and air-to-air combat like before the Six Day War.
By 1972, however, even they started teaching the Syrians accordingly
(only not their own pilots).

Could you ask yourself why?

And on the
ground things got worse. The Syrians in one Air Strike which every
IAF Plane returned safely home totally unchallanged accept for
manually aimed anti-aircraft-fire from Cira WWII heavy calaber
machine guns on turrets, destroyed the Syrian Equivolent of the War
Room/Pentagon with every
military
man worth a damn in planing a stratidgy.

This is laughable. Where is this from?

Do you know what exactly was hit on 10 October? Where was the Syrian
"War Room"? You don't really believe it was placed in the middle of
Damascus, or?

Where they got into the airspace
over the city was where they had taken out the two SAM Batteries.

The strike against the Syrian Army HQs involved no attacks against
the SAM batteries: the only such strikes on the Golan front were
flown on the morning of 7 October. Two F-4Es were shot down by SA-6s,
two by ZSU-23-4s, and two by MiG-21s for one SA-6 site and two MiGs
in exchange.

The
Soviets built the air defense to have overlapping kill zones. I.e.,
there are 5 batteries A B C D E . A overlaps the kill
zone of B,
B
of A and C, C of B and D and D of C and E, E of D.

Take out B and C and you have a larger gap in between the kill zones.

Not even the Syrian air defences along Golan were organized according
to this (indeed Soviet) doctrine. They were organized according to
Arab experiences - with the help of Soviet weapons.

Mission to take out the threat is succesfull as the only important
targets that they protect (anything inside Damascus) is worth
risking anything to take out. The ones further south could be flown
around, the mobile units
are
too hard to find and hit so left alone usually till they set up and
become
a
target. But they can usually only fire one and then have to be
reloaded (about an hour long proceedure). Israel tended to ignore
them and go for strategic targets and only took on the SAMS in that
war when they were in the way of that.

Wrong without an end. The Israelis first hit the wall with their
forehead trying to target SAM-sites about which they didn't even know
where these should have been. The result was the Operation Dogman 5
("Plan 5" or something similar), which ended with such a catastrophe
for the unit better known in the public as the "201st Sqn" (50% loss
in a single mission). Then they learned the lesson and started flying
interdiction strikes around the Syrian SAM-belt, and CAS in the areas
on the edges of the Egyptian SAM-belt. Nevertheless, their Skyhawks
had to fly CAS over Golan and on Sinai, and their losses (not only to
the SAMs, but foremost to MiGs and ZSU-23-4s) were staggering - until
the Arabs spent most of their SAMs, so that the IDF/AF was free to
maneuver.

Israel today makes a air-to-surface missile, once a radar
source is turned on, not even "painting" them it can be fired from
about
20
miles out and it will even if they shut down all power hit the mark
it is totally locked in and it flies at low to the ground altitudes
to boot. It makes the US HARM systems old fasioned in that they
need to have it paint
an
aircraft to lock on. Missiles with HARM systems have been known to
take
out
the battery after the plane is shot down already.

And which missile should this be, please? Not the "Purple Fist" by
accident?

If yes, be informed that this is actually the US-produced AGM-78
Standard ARM, taken out of service in US military already in the late
1980s...

The "real news" to this topic is the Israeli-built Harpy ARM-UAV,
capable of cruising at a very low speed for hours over the
battlefield and then targeting only the radars specifically
programmed into its seeker head, by a near vertical "kamikaze-style"
dive on their antennas.

You are totally streching, the Soviets were thought to have flown not
during
the Yom Kippur War but for Egypt in the six day war, that according
to the Liberty croud here, that their mission was to listen for
proof of Soviet Envolvement.

You're mixing almost everything. The Six Day War was fought in 1967,
and this was the war during which the Israelis attacked USS Liberty.
During this war there were only 35 Soviet instructors in Egypt, and
these took no part in fighting against Israel at all.

The number of Soviet "advisors" was constantly increasing since the
end of the Six Day War and during the War of Attrition, fought
(actually) 1967-1973 (officially between 1968 and 1970), reaching the
pike in March 1970, when a whole Soviet air defence divison was
deployed to Egypt. In 1972 Sadat expelled most of the Soviet
instructors out of Egypt, so that by 1973 there were not many of them
left there to fight at all. The 154th SAF (equipped with MiG-25Rs)
was deployed to Cairo West in the final days of the war and flew only
a handfull of sorties before the armistice.

Thus, during the October/Teshreen War, fought in 1973, the Soviets
flew no air battles against the Israelis: even East Germans, Poles,
Noth Koreans, Pakistanis, all the possible Arabs - and one British -
did, just no Soviets.

BTW, the Soviets also flew combat sorties for Iraqis during the war
with Iran (or is this another "big secret" in your opinion?): two
were killed while flying MiG-27s, at least two more while flying
MiG-25s - all in air combats with Iranian F-14s. One more was shot
down while flying MiG-27 by Iranian Phantoms, but he survived.

In exchange they shot down nothing.

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as photo
shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The
building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it
happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****.


--�
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"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
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snip



This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as
photo
shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The
building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it
happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****.

Aha. Interesting.

So, what you say in essence is this:
- the air battle provoked by the IDF/AF on 30 July 1970 never happened,

- the Soviets never participated in this battle,

- what happened during this battle was never revealed to the public,

- the Syrians were soooooooooooooooooooooooo endlessly dumb that they put
their "War Room" in the middle of the building with the HQs of their Army
during the War in 1973, so that the IDF/AF could find and hit the place.


.....and all of this because you don't know that the details about the air
battle on 30 July were revealed, and because you think that the Soviets did
not took part in the air battle against the Israelis, as well as because you
don't have a slightest clue about where the Syrian "War Room" was, and,
finally, because the US president was threatening to attack the USSR with
nuclear bombs if this would happen?

Do you understand how silly this is?

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

"Tom Cooper" wrote in message ...
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...

snip



This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as
photo
shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The
building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it
happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****.

Aha. Interesting.

So, what you say in essence is this:
- the air battle provoked by the IDF/AF on 30 July 1970 never happened,

- the Soviets never participated in this battle,

- what happened during this battle was never revealed to the public,

- the Syrians were soooooooooooooooooooooooo endlessly dumb that they put
their "War Room" in the middle of the building with the HQs of their Army
during the War in 1973, so that the IDF/AF could find and hit the place.


....and all of this because you don't know that the details about the air
battle on 30 July were revealed, and because you think that the Soviets did
not took part in the air battle against the Israelis, as well as because you
don't have a slightest clue about where the Syrian "War Room" was, and,
finally, because the US president was threatening to attack the USSR with
nuclear bombs if this would happen?

Do you understand how silly this is?

Obviously he does not. Just as he does not apparently realize how
laughable his claim that Israel is developing not one but apparently
two new fighter aircraft is, nor his strange assertion that Israel has
developed some kind of new MANPADS. Apparently a confirmed citizen of
Loonland...

Brooks


Tom Cooper

Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Tom Cooper" wrote in message
...
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...

snip



This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well
as
photo
shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the
press. The building was the right building and after the war even
Syria admitted it happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****.

Aha. Interesting.

So, what you say in essence is this:
- the air battle provoked by the IDF/AF on 30 July 1970 never
happened,

- the Soviets never participated in this battle,

- what happened during this battle was never revealed to the public,

- the Syrians were soooooooooooooooooooooooo endlessly dumb that
they put their "War Room" in the middle of the building with the HQs
of their Army during the War in 1973, so that the IDF/AF could find
and hit the place.


....and all of this because you don't know that the details about
the air battle on 30 July were revealed, and because you think that
the Soviets did not took part in the air battle against the
Israelis, as well as because you don't have a slightest clue about
where the Syrian "War Room" was, and, finally, because the US
president was threatening to attack the USSR with nuclear bombs if
this would happen?

Do you understand how silly this is?

Obviously he does not. Just as he does not apparently realize how
laughable his claim that Israel is developing not one but apparently
two new fighter aircraft is, nor his strange assertion that Israel has
developed some kind of new MANPADS. Apparently a confirmed citizen of
Loonland...

Brooks


Tom Cooper

Time will show that you are the fool. Did you think that the Industry of
Israel would stop with their current fighters that they have been buiding
for years. LOL on that sweat pea (the baby in the old Poppie Comics and
Cartoons - LOL).

They actually are way behind schedule. Remember a speech by BiBi where he
said a main issue he would start to address was the Israeli Defence
Ministry's Dependence on the US Purse Strings. Now how could he do that and
continue to have to buy 3/4 or more of his planes from the US?
Understanding it now. He also led the battle to get the Arrow-I project
started and keep it funded and befor that was ever deployed got the Arrow II
project started. Sharon has almost finished the full deployment plan for
those and he announcded 1 month into his adminstration the *continueing*
aircraft, avionics systems, and the start of the Arrow III development
project. The Arrow I is relatively short range compared to the proposed
Arrow III. The Arrow II will most likely hit an Missle from Lybia passed
appogee while the specifications that are already released (the parts of the
specs not all of them) is to be able to take such out at appogee. Israel
has put via the NASA launch programs a Geo-Stationary satalite that is
believed by many to be only part for communications (the announced purpose)
but also capable of detection of any M.E. Launched Missiles giving more
warning. The proposal is to have a 2 tear ABM capability, faster launching,
faster and longer range Arrow IIIs to be used first and then the Arrow II if
a malfunction is detected that would be the *only* cause of a missed target.

In one laugh you did get something almost right. One, the fighter where
they already have some exepirance already is being scale model wind tunnel
tested for stability testing before the build a first prototype to actually
flight test. The longer range with the larger delivery capacity is still on
the Drawing Boards which means it may be a few years before it gets to even
this point of development. It is also true that the development and testing
will take a lot longer than the US woud take. One must remember that in the
attempt to break the Sound Barrier many prototype planes were lost and in
some cases the US lost the pilots as well, Also the prototypes were useless
designs for any real combat plane. Israel cannot afford that expense when
they test a plane it will be a prototype, yes, but the final plane will be
modelled from that prototype that was the best one. Till then the idea is
that other than mounting the actual weapons systems while the test pilots
test the design, it will only be the final tests of the actual plane that
will test weapons delivery and the installed aviaonics. But the Euro
fighter has been in design now since the US started it's stealth system
design. That was many years ago and still no working plane has emerged. I
would not hold your breath for that so called super plane from the French.
LOL.




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"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ...
Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Tom Cooper" wrote in message
...
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...

snip



This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well
as
photo
shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the
press. The building was the right building and after the war even
Syria admitted it happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****.

Aha. Interesting.

So, what you say in essence is this:
- the air battle provoked by the IDF/AF on 30 July 1970 never
happened,

- the Soviets never participated in this battle,

- what happened during this battle was never revealed to the public,

- the Syrians were soooooooooooooooooooooooo endlessly dumb that
they put their "War Room" in the middle of the building with the HQs
of their Army during the War in 1973, so that the IDF/AF could find
and hit the place.


....and all of this because you don't know that the details about
the air battle on 30 July were revealed, and because you think that
the Soviets did not took part in the air battle against the
Israelis, as well as because you don't have a slightest clue about
where the Syrian "War Room" was, and, finally, because the US
president was threatening to attack the USSR with nuclear bombs if
this would happen?

Do you understand how silly this is?

Obviously he does not. Just as he does not apparently realize how
laughable his claim that Israel is developing not one but apparently
two new fighter aircraft is, nor his strange assertion that Israel has
developed some kind of new MANPADS. Apparently a confirmed citizen of
Loonland...

Brooks


Tom Cooper

Time will show that you are the fool. Did you think that the Industry of
Israel would stop with their current fighters that they have been buiding
for years. LOL on that sweat pea (the baby in the old Poppie Comics and
Cartoons - LOL).

Uhmmm...where's the beef? Surely you have some kind of real evidence
of these plans to produce new fighters in Israel? Must be a big
secret, as nobody else seems to have caught on...

You might want to examine a career in science fiction, as you
apparently have the requisite imagination...

Brooks

snip rambling, insubstantial rant

"Tom Cooper" wrote in message ...
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...

snip



This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as
photo
shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The
building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it
happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****.

Aha. Interesting.

Not really Tom since you excel in the art of BS. Don't you have some pro-Iranian/anti- Israeli rally to attend someplace? Or do you send your money to Saudi Arabian charities in the hope they will reach Hamas?
Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, given it is a terror
sponsoring state and lying about its underground nuclear program...
but I guess you are happy that both the US and Israeli are restrained
for the moment- the Israelis caught up in 36 months of Intifada, us
bogged down in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
I only live for the day one of the two or both strike Iran and shoot
their aircraft out of the skies. Better yet, let Iran fire a salvo of
IRBMs at Israel and watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud.

Rob

"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...
"Tom Cooper" wrote in message
...
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...

snip



This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as
photo
shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press.
The
building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted
it
happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****.

Aha. Interesting.

Not really Tom since you excel in the art of BS. Don't you have some
pro-Iranian/anti- Israeli rally to attend someplace? Or do you send your
money to Saudi Arabian charities in the hope they will reach Hamas?
Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, given it is a terror
sponsoring state and lying about its underground nuclear program...
but I guess you are happy that both the US and Israeli are restrained
for the moment- the Israelis caught up in 36 months of Intifada, us
bogged down in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
I only live for the day one of the two or both strike Iran and shoot
their aircraft out of the skies. Better yet, let Iran fire a salvo of
IRBMs at Israel and watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud.

Yes. Stupids are everywhere.

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

Tom Cooper wrote:
"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...
"Tom Cooper" wrote in message
...
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in
message ...

snip



This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as
well as
photo
shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the
press.
The
building was the right building and after the war even Syria
admitted
it
happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****.

Aha. Interesting.

Not really Tom since you excel in the art of BS. Don't you have some
pro-Iranian/anti- Israeli rally to attend someplace? Or do you send
your money to Saudi Arabian charities in the hope they will reach
Hamas?
Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, given it is a terror
sponsoring state and lying about its underground nuclear program...
but I guess you are happy that both the US and Israeli are restrained
for the moment- the Israelis caught up in 36 months of Intifada, us
bogged down in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
I only live for the day one of the two or both strike Iran and shoot
their aircraft out of the skies. Better yet, let Iran fire a salvo of
IRBMs at Israel and watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud.

Yes. Stupids are everywhere.

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

Can anyone tell me what "IRBMS" are. I know about ABMS and ICBMS, and
S.R.B.M. as well as M.R.B.MS are but never read anything till here about
"IRBMS".

ABM = Anti Balistic missile with the purpose to destroy an inbound missle
before it hits the target.
ICBM = Inter-Contental Balistic Missile - the mainstay of the Cold War for
years. They have enough range to hit any target inside any distant nation.
They do mostly by reaching a high altitude appagee and flying over the North
pole for the old USSR, and Over the Pacific for China, while over the
Atlantic for Europe and Africa.
South America (the farther reaches would be reached by direct path flights
over the Equater from our more Southern Silos.

MRBM - Medium Range Balistic Missiles are incapable of flying the distances
between the Old Soviet Block, US or US and China. The Soviets in the early
1960s placed this type in Cuba and from there put our south and Eastern
States in range with a less than 20 minute warning at most. Since they are
fired from closer the time from a launch to detonation is much shorter.
That is their main value.

SRBM are short range missiles, to that point they fall under Tactical or
actual Battlefield Weapons. Very low in range but hits the target in under
5 minutes. No time given the enemy to react. However the drawback is that
your own troops may be exposed to the Blast, heat and radiation from the
detonation as well. The US at one time proposed to use these if West
Germany was invaded to destroy the invading army. Like the City of Way we
would destroy half of the area to save the area. Play on a General's words
as the US had almost destroyed the city to force out the last of the VC in
the Tet Offensive.

What is a "IRBM". Jane's Does not list it at all so what is it some ray gun
or what? ROFLH at the person that warned about them.


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Can anyone tell me what "IRBMS" are. I know about ABMS and ICBMS, and
S.R.B.M. as well as M.R.B.MS are but never read anything till here about
"IRBMS".

IRBM = Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile.

It's the class of ballistic missiles with a range somewhere between 1.500
and 3.000km. They are not "intercontinental", but also not "tactical" or
"short range".

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585