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September 17th 03, 05:33 PM
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On 17 Sep 2003 08:41:16 -0700, robert arndt wrote:
Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, [...] I only live for the day [when I can] watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud. When are you growing the toothbrush mustache, Bob? -- A: top posting Q: what's the most annoying thing about Usenet? 
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September 18th 03, 05:07 AM
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September 18th 03, 08:01 AM
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... (phil hunt) wrote in message ... On 17 Sep 2003 08:41:16 -0700, robert arndt wrote: Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, [...] I only live for the day [when I can] watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud. When are you growing the toothbrush mustache, Bob? Let me get this straight Phil, buddy. You compare me to Hitler - errm, where has Phil done this? because I believe Tehran should be destroyed in the event of an attack against the State of Israel with IRBMs (which for all we know in the future might mount an Iranian-made or DPRK/FSU purchased nuclear warhead)... Has Tehran threatened to attack Israel? Has anybody in Tehran threatened to attack Dimona? To "burn down" the whole Israel or whatever else? You're obviously mixing Israeli and Iraqi official statements with those from Iran. Let me help you: even the stupids in power in Tehran haven't issued any similar statements. The "glorious" Israeli leaders have, however. yet, you say nothing of Iran's blatant terrorist funding against Israel, You also always forget to say something about the British, US and Israeli-state sponsored terrorism against Iran since over 80 years. So what? it's intense historical hatred of the Jews BS: the Jews are still living in Israel. Even this clerical regime haven't "destroyed" them as your statement would indicate. How comes this? How could it be Israel almost went to a war against Syria, Jordan, and Iraq in 1980, in response to the Iraqi invasion of Iran and in support of Tehran? How could it be the two countries are actually (even if clandestinelly) activelly cooperating on a number of fields ever since? (including support for the Nazi holocaust of WW2), Aha, now the Persians should have also supported the holocaust in the Europe too? How? What have they done in support of the holocaust? Refused to collaborate with the British or ruled by the British marionette, and then also let British and Soviet troops be stationed in their country? Was that "supporting the holocaust"? and the fact that it is actively seeking to develop nuclear weapons with the SOLE purpose of being directed against Israel. Israel is actively developing and producing nuclear weapons already since the mid 1960s with sole purpose of threatening its neighbours. Israel would not admit this (nor Israel cares about all the international regulations it broke or ignored), but explains this (indirectly) with the need for self-defence. Has Iran no right to self-defence only because it is ruled by a highly unpopular (at home and abroad) regime? It has the same rights like Israel. The difference is that the current Israeli gov and such ignorants like you is not recognizing this: at earlier times there was no problem regarding this fact between Jerusalem and Tehran. Who's the fascist then? Let me see: a country ruled by the militants, breaking international regulations, ignoring decisions by international organizations, producing WMDs, massively ignoring human rights, purposedly targeting civilians, being aggressive against its neighbours and holding their territory occupied right since its invention... Who could this be according to your own logic? The US should have dealt with Tehran during the hostage crisis, and I'm not referring to "Operation Eagle Claw" either. Instead, we elected President Reagan and let Iraq fight a 8 yr war with them. Two moments are important in this statement: a) according to you it appears that 4.5 millions (or how many?) of Jews living in Israel and several millions more living abroad should dictate over 200 millions of Arabs and 70 millions of Persians what to do and what not, why, and where to do it? b) you elected Reagan because he was negotiating with the Mullahs, so that these have held US hostages and not released them until exactly 30 minutes after he moved into the White House. With other words: your own president has neglected the safety of your co-citizens, and has neglected his duty as an influential politician to bring them back home, because this was in his private interest. Not only this: he then has also supplied arms worth $3 billion to an enemy of the USA (despite an official embargo), paid back several billions in Iranian money and assets (despite these officially being frozen) as well as promised that he would never do anything against the new regime in Tehran.... Well, you can now explain what a "good" and "tremendous" President Reagan was - and (certainly to your complete surprise) I would even agree regarding many things he did, including his Iran-related politics. But, you can't deny that he actually made himself guilty of comitting a traitory, and otherwise you're permanently showing how stupid and ignorant and supportive for aggressive actions you are, and how easy to manipulate by your own politicians and propaganda. As such, you can't be considered as a serious discutant on topics like these. The US has tried repeatedly to win over the pro-democracy elements in Iranian society but has failed. Truth: the US has indeed repeatedly won over the pro-democracy elements in Iran. It removed a democratically ellected president there (in 1952) and supported and financed brutal and oppressive regimes (not only the Shah, but also the Mullahs) and Iranian terrorists (MKE/MKO etc.) instead. Iran is developing nuclear weapons for the purpose of destroying the Jewish State. Can you offer us even one single document that would confirm this and deny any other purpose for such weapons being eventually in development in Iran? I don't blame Israel at all for it's tough stance and threats to pre-emptive attack/sabotage their efforts. And if Tehran is someday wiped off the earth as a consequence of their own anti-semitism/arrogance then so be it. I won't lose any sleep over it... So, it's only so that you simply hate Persians. Where's the problem, Rob? Even the son of your Persian neighbour drives a better car than you? Well, we all know their predilection for BMWs.... Has he a better house than you? Hm, well, must depend on what he earns... Or has he simply a better-looking wife than you? BTW, you know what's interesting too? Just yesterday I chatted with several Israeli Yom Kippour vets: the people I'm sure you consider a kind of superhuman warriors, that win all, everything, and everywhere. They are feed-up with wars, pain, blood, broken and missing limbs, suffering, terror and destruction, and would prefer peace with Arabs and anybody else in the ME to anything. Just such like you, which never put even their small toes into danger - but can babble from their comfortable chairs with 5.000km of ocean of safety between them and any direct threat - can support such nonsensical ideas like the use of nuclear weapons anywhere at all. Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585
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September 18th 03, 05:49 PM
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On 17 Sep 2003 21:07:15 -0700, robert arndt wrote:
(phil hunt) wrote in message ... On 17 Sep 2003 08:41:16 -0700, robert arndt wrote: Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, [...] I only live for the day [when I can] watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud. When are you growing the toothbrush mustache, Bob? Let me get this straight Phil, buddy. You compare me to Hitler because I believe Tehran should be destroyed in the event of an attack against the State of Israel with IRBMs You believe it should be destroyed "by now". Now, perhaps I am ignorant of current developments in the middle east, but to my knowledge Iran hasn't launched IRBMs at Israel, so you believe it deosn't be destoryed irrespective of this. The fact is, you are someone who gloats at the imagined death of millions of people. The only difference between you and Hitler is that he was powerful enough to make his fantasies reality. (which for all we know in the future might mount an Iranian-made or DPRK/FSU purchased nuclear warhead)... Indeed. yet, you say nothing of Iran's blatant terrorist funding against Israel, Just like you say nothing of Israel's blatant oppression of millions of Palestinians? it's intense historical hatred of the Jews (including support for the Nazi holocaust of WW2), and the fact that it is actively seeking to develop nuclear weapons with the SOLE purpose of being directed against Israel. AFAICT, the main purpose is to deter American aggression. It's highly unlikely a nuclear-armed Iran would use nuclear weapons against Israel, for the same reason that no nuclear weapon state has ever used nuclear weapons against another nuclear weapon state. One thing the leaders of all countries have in common is they don't want to become radioactive cinders. Who's the fascist then? I'm not quite sure what you are getting at -- you seem to be saying that if the Iranian govmt are fascists, you can't be. Is that what you are saying? If not, what are you saying? It's quite obvious that there is no shortage of people with nasty beliefs and attitudes on either side of the disputer between Israel and the Arab/ Muslim world; but it's equally obvious that this has no bearing on whether you, personally, are a fascist. The US should have dealt with Tehran during the hostage crisis, and I'm not referring to "Operation Eagle Claw" either. What are you refering to, then? Instead, we elected President Reagan and let Iraq fight a 8 yr war with them. The US has tried repeatedly to win over the pro-democracy elements in Iranian society By deposing Mossadeq? but has failed. Iran is developing nuclear weapons for the purpose of destroying the Jewish State. I disagree, for reasons I've explained earlier. I don't blame Israel at all for it's tough stance and threats to pre-emptive attack/sabotage their efforts. As I understand it, you are saying that the Israeli _Herrenvolk_ are superior to the Arab and Muslim _Untermensch_, so have a natural right to kill them, and displace them off their land to create _Lebensraum_. That's what you seem to beleive -- tell me if I'm wrong, but your belief system is indistinguishable from Hitler's, if you just change a few labels. And if Tehran is someday wiped off the earth as a consequence of their own anti-semitism/arrogance then so be it. I won't lose any sleep over it... If I could be bothered to re-read _Mein Kampf_ I'm sure I could come up with similar phrases. Face it, you're a fascist. -- A: top posting Q: what's the most annoying thing about Usenet?
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September 17th 03, 03:45 PM
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Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... snip This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as photo shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****. Aha. Interesting. So, what you say in essence is this: - the air battle provoked by the IDF/AF on 30 July 1970 never happened, - the Soviets never participated in this battle, - what happened during this battle was never revealed to the public, - the Syrians were soooooooooooooooooooooooo endlessly dumb that they put their "War Room" in the middle of the building with the HQs of their Army during the War in 1973, so that the IDF/AF could find and hit the place. ....and all of this because you don't know that the details about the air battle on 30 July were revealed, and because you think that the Soviets did not took part in the air battle against the Israelis, as well as because you don't have a slightest clue about where the Syrian "War Room" was, and, finally, because the US president was threatening to attack the USSR with nuclear bombs if this would happen? Do you understand how silly this is? Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 Dumb to not hide it, how hidden is the Pentagon asshole. You cannot hide the place that the head military meet for planning and discussing the way a battle is going. Wars are not fought like they were in pre-civil war days. They have a need to co-ordinate many branches of the Miltitary to work together and get the job done. In Siagon the building used for the General West Morlands briefings and planning of the operations was marked on many maps and the NVA had the location, just did not have the means to take it out that way. The Ministry of Defense houses the Upper Staff of the Ground, Naval, and Air Forces. It does not have the offices of the Mossad as they fall under a different ministry (We call ours Departments to be clear on that). It was in fact during the 6 Day war attacked by Jordanian planes who missed their targets and the men were in their verson of the Situation Room which is rhumored to be about 50 feet of Reinforced Concreate below the basement with a tunnel running to the PM's Offices. Again this is on the military maps and the Jordanians knew where it was. Israel by the second day of the '67 war put a fighter cap up 24 * 7 landing planes after another flight took off and was in position. During the Yom Kippur War they would have a lot more warning as Syria would have to fly half the lenght of Isreal to reach it trough heavily protected air space. Egyptian Version was 2 blocks East of the Presidential Quaters. The building was known to the IAF as well and in fact preceeding the Six Day War Mossad had agents working there and that is how they knew about the build ups that were at first done out of sight of the aircraft that would fly high altitude reconicense just inside the Borders of Israel. At 10,000 feet one can and cameras record a lot further than any ground station. So the location of such buildings is hardly a keepable secret and no nation thinks that the enemy would be able or dare to try to reach it. Syria never planned to loose its air supremacy or loose 2 overlapping SAM Sites in that war to open what they considered an untouchable city. You will also perhapse remember the vidios of the smart bomb hitting the Iraqi version of that buidling in the First Gulf Wars Air campaign. The US kept that film showing on the news to show how great and precice the weapons being used were. In that case it went down the elevator shaft and blew out the floor they wanted to destroy totally. -- MattA ?subject=HepatitusC-Objectives Matt's Hep-C Story web pages are back at a home. No more drop down ads to get in your way. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/matta00 Truth about Howard Aubrey AKA madyan67: http://www.geocities.com/lord_haha_libeler/
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