I just have to get it off my chest.

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Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install unwanted
programmes) when all you need to do is resize your pictures
before you post them. The best pictures on this NG come from
Glenn (IMO) and we don't have to install any upgraded software to
view his images, so what is so special about yours? If you can't
take his lead, maybe you are the loser and we have missed
nothing....



"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in
particular.


Regarding YENC:


There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST upgrade.




This group has decided to be YENC-free and has reaffirmed the
decision many times. If it goes YENC, I'm leaving.

gdp






don't get you panties in a twist there Don
It really should not matter yenc or not if you have a good
newsreader OE is not a good newreader BTW

"Good" is a matter of opinion. OE sends and receives email, it has
a broad group of filters, it doesn't force me to open anything I
don't want to read, it reads from and posts to newsgroups, it
combines and decodes.....just what would make it "good"? YENC???
From my experience, anyone who says OE is trash simply doesn't know
how to use it.

gdp








OE is fine for email but as a newsreader it is stuck in the darkages
There several fine newreader that would make posting and reading far
simpler If you want to stay in the dark ages that is fine but don't
attack those who post in an easily readable format. If you use a more
up to date reader you can see what is posted by those who choose to
use yenc. As for me when I post I don'y use yenc but I have no
problem with those who do.
"It is better to light one single candle than to curse the darkness"


I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to use
than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to manually
read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"russell" wrote in message
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Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install unwanted
programmes) when all you need to do is resize your pictures
before you post them. The best pictures on this NG come from
Glenn (IMO) and we don't have to install any upgraded software to
view his images, so what is so special about yours? If you can't
take his lead, maybe you are the loser and we have missed
nothing....



"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in
particular.


Regarding YENC:


There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST upgrade.




This group has decided to be YENC-free and has reaffirmed the
decision many times. If it goes YENC, I'm leaving.

gdp






don't get you panties in a twist there Don
It really should not matter yenc or not if you have a good
newsreader OE is not a good newreader BTW

"Good" is a matter of opinion. OE sends and receives email, it has
a broad group of filters, it doesn't force me to open anything I
don't want to read, it reads from and posts to newsgroups, it
combines and decodes.....just what would make it "good"? YENC???
From my experience, anyone who says OE is trash simply doesn't know
how to use it.

gdp








OE is fine for email but as a newsreader it is stuck in the darkages
There several fine newreader that would make posting and reading far
simpler If you want to stay in the dark ages that is fine but don't
attack those who post in an easily readable format. If you use a more
up to date reader you can see what is posted by those who choose to
use yenc. As for me when I post I don'y use yenc but I have no
problem with those who do.
"It is better to light one single candle than to curse the darkness"


I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to use
than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to manually
read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

Um...thanks for the prompt reply but you haven't told me anything that OE
can't do. It can do all the things you say it can't. Perhaps you are one of
those who don't know how to use it.

And, I'll bet you a years wages that you don't know what other newsreaders I
have tried.

gdp

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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"russell" wrote in message
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Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install
unwanted programmes) when all you need to do is resize your
pictures before you post them. The best pictures on this NG
come from Glenn (IMO) and we don't have to install any upgraded
software to view his images, so what is so special about yours?
If you can't take his lead, maybe you are the loser and we have
missed nothing....



"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in
particular.


Regarding YENC:


There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST
upgrade.




This group has decided to be YENC-free and has reaffirmed the
decision many times. If it goes YENC, I'm leaving.

gdp






don't get you panties in a twist there Don
It really should not matter yenc or not if you have a good
newsreader OE is not a good newreader BTW

"Good" is a matter of opinion. OE sends and receives email, it
has a broad group of filters, it doesn't force me to open anything
I don't want to read, it reads from and posts to newsgroups, it
combines and decodes.....just what would make it "good"? YENC???
From my experience, anyone who says OE is trash simply doesn't
know how to use it.

gdp








OE is fine for email but as a newsreader it is stuck in the
darkages There several fine newreader that would make posting and
reading far simpler If you want to stay in the dark ages that is
fine but don't attack those who post in an easily readable format.
If you use a more up to date reader you can see what is posted by
those who choose to use yenc. As for me when I post I don'y use
yenc but I have no problem with those who do.
"It is better to light one single candle than to curse the
darkness"


I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to
use than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to
manually read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

Um...thanks for the prompt reply but you haven't told me anything that
OE can't do. It can do all the things you say it can't. Perhaps you
are one of those who don't know how to use it.

And, I'll bet you a years wages that you don't know what other
newsreaders I have tried.

gdp






I have used several newsreaders in the past in crulding OE and like so
many of Bill gates' product I found OE to be lacking all of the features
I just mentioned If you want to believe in Bill and microsloth that's
all fine and goo but I used OE when I was a newbie and found it wanting
and found xnews is soooo much better.
As for newsreader you may have tried I would bet the were some
primitive attempts building the better mousetrap

"Clairbear" wrote in message
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"russell" wrote in message
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Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install
unwanted programmes) when all you need to do is resize your
pictures before you post them. The best pictures on this NG
come from Glenn (IMO) and we don't have to install any upgraded
software to view his images, so what is so special about yours?
If you can't take his lead, maybe you are the loser and we have
missed nothing....



"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in
particular.


Regarding YENC:


There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST
upgrade.




This group has decided to be YENC-free and has reaffirmed the
decision many times. If it goes YENC, I'm leaving.

gdp






don't get you panties in a twist there Don
It really should not matter yenc or not if you have a good
newsreader OE is not a good newreader BTW

"Good" is a matter of opinion. OE sends and receives email, it
has a broad group of filters, it doesn't force me to open anything
I don't want to read, it reads from and posts to newsgroups, it
combines and decodes.....just what would make it "good"? YENC???
From my experience, anyone who says OE is trash simply doesn't
know how to use it.

gdp








OE is fine for email but as a newsreader it is stuck in the
darkages There several fine newreader that would make posting and
reading far simpler If you want to stay in the dark ages that is
fine but don't attack those who post in an easily readable format.
If you use a more up to date reader you can see what is posted by
those who choose to use yenc. As for me when I post I don'y use
yenc but I have no problem with those who do.
"It is better to light one single candle than to curse the
darkness"


I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to
use than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to
manually read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

Um...thanks for the prompt reply but you haven't told me anything that
OE can't do. It can do all the things you say it can't. Perhaps you
are one of those who don't know how to use it.

And, I'll bet you a years wages that you don't know what other
newsreaders I have tried.

gdp






I have used several newsreaders in the past in crulding OE and like so
many of Bill gates' product I found OE to be lacking all of the features
I just mentioned If you want to believe in Bill and microsloth that's
all fine and goo but I used OE when I was a newbie and found it wanting
and found xnews is soooo much better.
As for newsreader you may have tried I would bet the were some
primitive attempts building the better mousetrap


It's interesting that my copy of OE will do the things that your copy won't.

I have used several newsreaders in the past in crulding OE and like so
many of Bill gates' product I found OE to be lacking all of the features
I just mentioned If you want to believe in Bill and microsloth that's
all fine and goo but I used OE when I was a newbie and found it wanting
and found xnews is soooo much better.
As for newsreader you may have tried I would bet the were some
primitive attempts building the better mousetrap


So the truth will come out. It's not OE that's the problem, it's Bill
Gates...

Clairbear wrote in news:Xns9967D801DDA8Fclairbear@
130.81.64.196:

"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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SNIP



I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to use
than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to manually
read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

Like you, I use Xnews. The feature which sold me on it is that the fact
that a file is yENC is just not an issue any more. I don't have to
"convert" a received yENC file. I just download the file and Xnews shows me
the picture.

What I don't understand is why there seems to be an impression going around
that yENC files are humungous in comparison to other encoding used for
newsgroups. A file sent using the "normal" newsgroup encoding is generally
33 to 40% larger than the same file sent using yENC. For large, what about
the fellow a few days ago that posted some large BMP image files. If I
remember correctly, each image was a nine-part attachment. If he had used
yENC, they would only have been about six-part attachments. I personaly
think that a 30% saving in download time, bandwidth usage or whatever is
worthy of real consideration. I know that someone will then say they can't
get a yENC newsreader for their five-year-old computer. Five years in
computer history is like 50 years in the automotive industry. While it is
probably fairly easy to get upgrades for a 50-year-old Ford, it may not be
the same for Studebaker or some other model produced in relatively lower
volumes.

Frank wrote in
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Clairbear wrote in news:Xns9967D801DDA8Fclairbear@
130.81.64.196:

"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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SNIP



I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to
use than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to
manually read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

Like you, I use Xnews. The feature which sold me on it is that the
fact that a file is yENC is just not an issue any more. I don't have
to "convert" a received yENC file. I just download the file and Xnews
shows me the picture.

What I don't understand is why there seems to be an impression going
around that yENC files are humungous in comparison to other encoding
used for newsgroups. A file sent using the "normal" newsgroup
encoding is generally 33 to 40% larger than the same file sent using
yENC. For large, what about the fellow a few days ago that posted some
large BMP image files. If I remember correctly, each image was a
nine-part attachment. If he had used yENC, they would only have been
about six-part attachments. I personaly think that a 30% saving in
download time, bandwidth usage or whatever is worthy of real
consideration. I know that someone will then say they can't get a yENC
newsreader for their five-year-old computer. Five years in computer
history is like 50 years in the automotive industry. While it is
probably fairly easy to get upgrades for a 50-year-old Ford, it may
not be the same for Studebaker or some other model produced in
relatively lower volumes.



Well said Much better than I was able to put it