A Wake Up Call From Luke AFB

On 7/10/2007 1:29:34 AM, Clark wrote:

Not at all. My first real world boss was Navy and a Vietnam vet. I won't
type what I'm thinking about your nature, but it isn't good.

I believe you have misunderstood the poster's intent. Based on my
interpretation, he was stating that he doesn't understand why a former
Navy/Vietnam vet would not know the importance of a flyby. I will go out on a
limb here to suggest that he was in no way suggesting any disrespect for
either the Navy or a Vietnam Vet status.

Reread his post to see if that makes sense.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
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On 7/10/2007 1:29:34 AM, Clark wrote:

Not at all. My first real world boss was Navy and a Vietnam vet. I won't
type what I'm thinking about your nature, but it isn't good.

I believe you have misunderstood the poster's intent. Based on my
interpretation, he was stating that he doesn't understand why a former
Navy/Vietnam vet would not know the importance of a flyby. I will go out
on a
limb here to suggest that he was in no way suggesting any disrespect for
either the Navy or a Vietnam Vet status.

Reread his post to see if that makes sense.

Nope. No change.

His question, paraphrased, was, "How could a Navy vet also be a Vietnam
vet". I see nothing to connotate the letter writers misunderstanding a
Missing Man Formation.

If you can detect otherwise, please show us.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Peter R." wrote in message
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On 7/10/2007 1:29:34 AM, Clark wrote:

Not at all. My first real world boss was Navy and a Vietnam vet. I won't
type what I'm thinking about your nature, but it isn't good.

I believe you have misunderstood the poster's intent. Based on my
interpretation, he was stating that he doesn't understand why a former
Navy/Vietnam vet would not know the importance of a flyby. I will go out
on a
limb here to suggest that he was in no way suggesting any disrespect for
either the Navy or a Vietnam Vet status.

Reread his post to see if that makes sense.

Nope. No change.

His question, paraphrased, was, "How could a Navy vet also be a Vietnam
vet". I see nothing to connotate the letter writers misunderstanding a
Missing Man Formation.

If you can detect otherwise, please show us.


That's how I took it. If I am incorrect, I apologize to the OP.

Al G

Recently, Al G posted:

That's how I took it. If I am incorrect, I apologize to the OP.

You are incorrect. Apology appreciated. ;-)

Neil

Matt,

His (Neil Gould) original post listed 2 statements (each containing
unfortunately 2 clauses), namely:

"[...]
I had no idea of the significance of the flyby, and would never have
insulted such a fine and respectful display had I known.
[...]
I served in the U.S. Navy and am a Vietnam veteran.
"

He then asked "Anyone else have trouble reconciling these two
statements?"

I believe that your paraphrasing of his question is incorrect and
inaccurate.
Subsequent posts by Neil (i.e. "What does that have to do with the
question at hand: what Vet wouldn't
know the significance of a flyby formation???") further support that
contention.

Hopefully that's clear enough for you.

On Jul 10, 1:00 pm, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"Peter R." wrote in message

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On 7/10/2007 1:29:34 AM, Clark wrote:

Not at all. My first real world boss was Navy and a Vietnam vet. I won't
type what I'm thinking about your nature, but it isn't good.

I believe you have misunderstood the poster's intent. Based on my
interpretation, he was stating that he doesn't understand why a former
Navy/Vietnam vet would not know the importance of a flyby. I will go out
on a
limb here to suggest that he was in no way suggesting any disrespect for
either the Navy or a Vietnam Vet status.

Reread his post to see if that makes sense.

Nope. No change.

His question, paraphrased, was, "How could a Navy vet also be a Vietnam
vet". I see nothing to connotate the letter writers misunderstanding a
Missing Man Formation.

If you can detect otherwise, please show us.

"Bob Crawford" wrote in message
oups.com...
Matt,

His (Neil Gould) original post listed 2 statements (each containing
unfortunately 2 clauses), namely:

"[...]
I had no idea of the significance of the flyby, and would never have
insulted such a fine and respectful display had I known.
[...]
I served in the U.S. Navy and am a Vietnam veteran.
"

He then asked "Anyone else have trouble reconciling these two
statements?"

I believe that your paraphrasing of his question is incorrect and
inaccurate.
Subsequent posts by Neil (i.e. "What does that have to do with the
question at hand: what Vet wouldn't
know the significance of a flyby formation???") further support that
contention.

Hopefully that's clear enough for you.

Okay! What I took his two statements in conflict to mean was "Navy" and
"Vietnam vet".

My bad!

Yet, as a few others have pointed out, unless you're into aviation in some
way, the Missing Man Formation would be totally meaningless, regardless of
what non-aviation branch you were in.

To them, it's just a bunch of planes flying close together.

Recently, Matt Barrow posted:

Okay! What I took his two statements in conflict to mean was "Navy"
and "Vietnam vet".

That makes no sense whatsoever. First of all, that is _one_ statement, not
two. And, there are plenty of Navy vets who served in Vietnam.

My bad!

Indeed! ;-)

Yet, as a few others have pointed out, unless you're into aviation in
some way, the Missing Man Formation would be totally meaningless,
regardless of what non-aviation branch you were in.

To them, it's just a bunch of planes flying close together.

Well, that's why I posed it as a question, not a statement of fact. ;-)

From my perspective, anyone old enough to have served in Vietnam, vetran
or otherwise, should be rather familiar with formation flybys (it's not
clear that the Missing Man was executed at the time). If there isn't an
air show going on, it would be the first thing that would occur to me.
And, given the number of casualties in the Vietnam conflict, I would have
thought that any vet would have had many opportunities to witness such a
flyby. But, then, that's my perspective and not a matter of fact, ergo,
the question.

Neil

Recently, Matt Barrow posted:

"Peter R." wrote in message
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On 7/10/2007 1:29:34 AM, Clark wrote:

Not at all. My first real world boss was Navy and a Vietnam vet. I
won't type what I'm thinking about your nature, but it isn't good.

I believe you have misunderstood the poster's intent. Based on my
interpretation, he was stating that he doesn't understand why a
former Navy/Vietnam vet would not know the importance of a flyby. I
will go out on a
limb here to suggest that he was in no way suggesting any disrespect
for either the Navy or a Vietnam Vet status.

Reread his post to see if that makes sense.

Nope. No change.

His question, paraphrased, was, "How could a Navy vet also be a
Vietnam vet". I see nothing to connotate the letter writers
misunderstanding a Missing Man Formation.

That was NOT my original question; Peter R. got it right. I don't know
where you're coming from at all, Matt.

If you can detect otherwise, please show us.

Go read the original post until you get it.

Neil

Matt Barrow wrote:


Nope. No change.

His question, paraphrased, was, "How could a Navy vet also be a
Vietnam vet". I see nothing to connotate the letter writers
misunderstanding a Missing Man Formation.

If you can detect otherwise, please show us.

Below, between the ----- is what was in Neil's post.


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According to Snopes.com, this incident was in 2005.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/wakeup.asp


There was another letter that continued this topic.

To his credit, the complainant, Mr. MacRae, tendered a written apology
which was published in The Republic on 9 July:

[...]
I had no idea of the significance of the flyby, and would never have
insulted such a fine and respectful display had I known.
[...]
I served in the U.S. Navy and am a Vietnam veteran.

Anyone else have trouble reconciling these two statements?

Neil
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If he had done a little snipping he would have posted this.


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[...]
I had no idea of the significance of the flyby, and would never have
insulted such a fine and respectful display had I known.
[...]
I served in the U.S. Navy and am a Vietnam veteran.

Anyone else have trouble reconciling these two statements?

Neil
XXXXXXXXXXXX



Statement Number 1

I had no idea of the significance of the flyby, and would never have
insulted such a fine and respectful display had I known.

Statement Number 2

I served in the U.S. Navy and am a Vietnam veteran.

On 7/10/2007 2:21:41 PM, Clark wrote:

His post is ambiguous at best. My interpretation is reasonable even though
it may or may not have been the author's intent. I'll maintain my stance
on the author's nature.

Very well. We all need a cause and it appears that you have advanced yours.

--
Peter