Bomber-jacket leather and our law

On 18 Sep 2003 06:06:13 -0700, (Michael) wrote:



Looking at their website, I wouldn't buy anything from Airborne
Leather.

Why not, because they're a small store-front business?

In case you aren't aware of it, about 98% of new businesses opening
their doors this year are small store-front or garage based establishments.

Indeed, the majority of the Fortune 500 companies began the same way.
Big idea, small budget. Service and quality are what they offer. Dial their
number and talk to a real person concerned to satisfy a customer.

As to their products, virtually every Chinese Jacket sold in this country is
made in one of three factories. Quality is good and the value excellent.

My firm has been buying from China for several years and we have constructed our
own manufacturing facility there. The quality of machined parts is always
improving and they are anxious to compete on their own merit.

My regards,

Widewing (C.C. Jordan)
http://www.worldwar2aviation.com
http://www.netaces.org
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(Corey C. Jordan) wrote in message ...
On 18 Sep 2003 06:06:13 -0700, (Michael) wrote:



Looking at their website, I wouldn't buy anything from Airborne
Leather.

Why not, because they're a small store-front business?

No. I've got a narrow definition of what an A-2 (and G-1) is, and
their product doesn't meet that. It's a poor representation of the
A-2, at best.

~Michael

On 19 Sep 2003 06:30:55 -0700, (Michael) wrote:

(Corey C. Jordan) wrote in message ...
On 18 Sep 2003 06:06:13 -0700, (Michael) wrote:



Looking at their website, I wouldn't buy anything from Airborne
Leather.

Why not, because they're a small store-front business?

No. I've got a narrow definition of what an A-2 (and G-1) is, and
their product doesn't meet that. It's a poor representation of the
A-2, at best.

~Michael

Well, I have a mid 1970s issue G-1 and the Chinese copy. I'll be damned
if I can tell the difference without knowing which is which until I closely
inspect the jacket and find that the Chinese jacket has slash pockets
concealed at the seam, a feature I wish the MIL spec jacket had.

I guess that I'm not such a snob that I'll turn my nose at a perfectly
adequate garment that has the look of the original without the outrageous
expense of the high end stuff worn many wannabe geeks (no inference intended).

My regards,

Widewing (C.C. Jordan)
http://www.worldwar2aviation.com
http://www.netaces.org
http://www.hitechcreations.com

Subject: Bomber-jacket leather and our law
From: (Corey C. Jordan)
Date: 9/19/03 7:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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I'll be damned
if I can tell the difference without knowing which is which until I closely
inspect the jacket and find that the Chinese jacket has slash pockets
concealed at the seam, a feature I wish the MIL spec jacket had.

Officers do not put their hands in their pockets


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

In message , ArtKramr
writes
Officers do not put their hands in their pockets

Do they get Other Ranks to it for them?

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
...
In message , ArtKramr
writes
Officers do not put their hands in their pockets

Do they get Other Ranks to it for them?

I don't know about UK forces but, in the CF, having your hands in your
pockets is referred to as "wearing American gloves", and in the bad old
days was a way to earn about 30 push-ups, or an all-expenses paid trip
around the parade square at the double with your rifle over your head.

In the really bad old days, officers had swagger sticks, ashplants and
riding crops that reduced their desire to put their hands in their
pockets.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

On 20 Sep 2003 02:13:10 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Officers do not put their hands in their pockets

Not even pilots? Crikey, I have this image of the cap mashed down, the
Lucky Strike dangling, the elbows sticking out, and the
hands-a-pocket.

Perhaps not fighter pilots! They need their hands to talk, don't they?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

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Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
On 20 Sep 2003 02:13:10 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Officers do not put their hands in their pockets

Not even pilots? Crikey, I have this image of the cap mashed down, the
Lucky Strike dangling, the elbows sticking out, and the
hands-a-pocket.

None of the AAC/AAF flight jackets had hand warmer pockets until the
B-15 at the end of the war. And from what I've heard and read it was
because of the reason Art listed. The powers that be didn't want their
men standing around with their hands in their pockets. Looked sloppy
(and you were ill prepared to salute). Plus if you think about it,
they didn't need them. They need patch pockets to carry stuff (like
cigarettes, lighters, and other survival gear , and if it was cold
out or they were in the air, they'd have on gloves.

~Michael

(Corey C. Jordan) wrote in message . ..
On 19 Sep 2003 06:30:55 -0700, (Michael) wrote:

(Corey C. Jordan) wrote in message ...
On 18 Sep 2003 06:06:13 -0700, (Michael) wrote:



Looking at their website, I wouldn't buy anything from Airborne
Leather.

Why not, because they're a small store-front business?

No. I've got a narrow definition of what an A-2 (and G-1) is, and
their product doesn't meet that. It's a poor representation of the
A-2, at best.

~Michael

Well, I have a mid 1970s issue G-1 and the Chinese copy. I'll be damned
if I can tell the difference without knowing which is which until I closely
inspect the jacket and find that the Chinese jacket has slash pockets
concealed at the seam, a feature I wish the MIL spec jacket had.

By Chinese copy, you mean one from Airborne Leather, right? If so,
anyone should be able to tell at a glance that it's not a mil-spec
jacket. The biggest diffence (aside from the slash pockets) is the
cheap lambskin being used in the Chinese version (if a leather jacket
is selling for $99, it's not quality stuff), while a military jacket
is goat or cow.

I guess that I'm not such a snob that I'll turn my nose at a perfectly
adequate garment that has the look of the original without the outrageous
expense of the high end stuff worn many wannabe geeks (no inference intended).

Yes, the inference was intended bub, and you're alluding that I'm a
snob because I prefer a jacket that actually tries to copy the real
thing from 60 years ago instead of a half assed knock off made with
second rate materials. Your jacket may be adequate in your book, but
not in mine, and we'll leave it at the that before this turns into
further name name calling.

~Michael

On 20 Sep 2003 07:31:34 -0700, (Michael) wrote:

By Chinese copy, you mean one from Airborne Leather, right? If so,
anyone should be able to tell at a glance that it's not a mil-spec
jacket. The biggest diffence (aside from the slash pockets) is the
cheap lambskin being used in the Chinese version (if a leather jacket
is selling for $99, it's not quality stuff), while a military jacket
is goat or cow.

Both of my Airborne Leathers jackets are cowhide, same thickness as
the MIL spec jacket, but the leather is a bit more stiff and it
lacks the brightness of finish of my well-worn issue jacket.

I guess that I'm not such a snob that I'll turn my nose at a perfectly
adequate garment that has the look of the original without the outrageous
expense of the high end stuff worn many wannabe geeks (no inference intended).

Yes, the inference was intended bub, and you're alluding that I'm a
snob because I prefer a jacket that actually tries to copy the real
thing from 60 years ago instead of a half assed knock off made with
second rate materials. Your jacket may be adequate in your book, but
not in mine, and we'll leave it at the that before this turns into
further name name calling.

~Michael

LOLOLOL

Michael, if I intended to begin name calling, you would know it, believe me.

I was referring to the guys who show up at air shows driving a leased Porsche in

$1,000 leather jackets with patches indicating some former affiliation with a
active duty flying unit. I actually saw some geek with two GTMO patches on
his goatskin G-1. When I asked about his tour there he began a remarkably lame
bull**** story about how dangerous it was down there, blah, blah, blah. It was
obvious to me that he got all of his information from watching a "Few Good Men",
'cause he lacked clue one of reality (I did two tours in GTMO flying SAR). When
taken to task for being a second rate impostor, he was highly indignant, and
refused to apologize for being a liar. That's the type of wannabe I was
referring to, those guys who find the risk associated with day-trading to be
enough for their delicate constitutions.

By the way Michael, what do you drive? LOLOLOL!!! Just teasing!

Seriously, If I want exacting authenticity, I wear my issue G-1 (just replaced
the worn-out sleeve cuffs) with my units patches and velcro name tag.

Now if you prefer the expensive copies, fine, it's your party. However,
be advised that absolutely no one will give a damn how accurate it is.

My regards,

Widewing (C.C. Jordan)
http://www.worldwar2aviation.com
http://www.netaces.org
http://www.hitechcreations.com