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![]() "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... DOI: 6/18/2005 Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT That's pushing it for a Mustang, isn't it? Licensed in 2005? Rating(s): PRIVATE PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:50:58 -0700, "Gatt"
wrote: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . DOI: 6/18/2005 Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT That's pushing it for a Mustang, isn't it? Licensed in 2005? Rating(s): PRIVATE PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE Isn't the DOI referencing the latest privelege or rating issued? So he could have been private for 20 years and just now picked up his AMEL-IA. |
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Peter Clark wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:50:58 -0700, "Gatt" wrote: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... DOI: 6/18/2005 Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT That's pushing it for a Mustang, isn't it? Licensed in 2005? Rating(s): PRIVATE PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE Isn't the DOI referencing the latest privelege or rating issued? So he could have been private for 20 years and just now picked up his AMEL-IA. Not only that if a pilot gets a new certificate for any reason, like just wanting one of the plastic ones, the date will be reset. Also keep in mind that the guys who flew these back in the 40's while getting shot at usually had less than 2 years experience flying. |
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![]() "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Also keep in mind that the guys who flew these back in the 40's while getting shot at usually had less than 2 years experience flying. True. But most of that flying time was training in a phased and regimented course on a full-time basis. In other words, they were -full time- 90 day wonders. A civilian pilot can get his complex, high performance and taildragger ratings at his leisure and without as much persistence and currency as somebody who had a full-time flight instruction every day for three months. In addition, the 90-day wonders who flew Mustangs back in the day were the ones who weren't washed out first. They couldn't just lay out a few thousand dollars and buy themselves a checkout in a P-51. If they weren't skilled and better-than-average pilots by the time they got near a Mustang, they'd have never flown one. -c |
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:57:47 -0700, Richard Riley
wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:53:00 -0700, "Gatt" wrote: "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Also keep in mind that the guys who flew these back in the 40's while getting shot at usually had less than 2 years experience flying. True. But most of that flying time was training in a phased and regimented course on a full-time basis. In other words, they were -full time- 90 day wonders. A civilian pilot can get his complex, high performance and taildragger ratings at his leisure and without as much persistence and currency as somebody who had a full-time flight instruction every day for three months. In addition, the 90-day wonders who flew Mustangs back in the day were the ones who weren't washed out first. They couldn't just lay out a few thousand dollars and buy themselves a checkout in a P-51. If they weren't skilled and better-than-average pilots by the time they got near a Mustang, they'd have never flown one. And I've read (but cannot verify) that more WW2 fighters and pilots were lost in accidents than in combat. So even the full time non-wash-out 90 day wonders had their own bad days. One a day in Tampa Bay! Think of it this way. Currently the primary training is done contract. They are expected to earn the PPL in 50 hours if I read correctly. |
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Richard Riley wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:31:48 -0400, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote: And I've read (but cannot verify) that more WW2 fighters and pilots were lost in accidents than in combat. So even the full time non-wash-out 90 day wonders had their own bad days. One a day in Tampa Bay! Think of it this way. Currently the primary training is done contract. They are expected to earn the PPL in 50 hours if I read correctly. IIRC the national average for ordinary, walk in off the streets ab initio civilian pilot gets his PPL in about 62 hrs. So 50 for an intelligent, motivated, young student who's doing nothing but is certainly possible. It almost always takes less total hours to learn something if you are in "class" 8 hours a day, every day as oppossed to 1 or 2 hours once a week or so. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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![]() "Richard Riley" wrote: And I've read (but cannot verify) that more WW2 fighters and pilots were lost in accidents than in combat. A veteran of the battles of Midway and Guadalcanal told me the same thing, and the difference in numbers wasn't small, either. -- Dan T-182T at BFM |
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Peter
I was one of those WWII guys that ended up in a P-51. First got about 10-12 back seat landings in a T-6. Then checked out in the P-40. Then went to a 51 Squadron and got a briefing from an old head on engine operation and takeoff and landing speeds and then flew the bird. Don't remember many accidents on check out in 51. Certainly not like the original B-26 (one a day in Tampa bay). Big John ************************************************** **** On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:23:44 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: Peter Clark wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:50:58 -0700, "Gatt" wrote: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... DOI: 6/18/2005 Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT That's pushing it for a Mustang, isn't it? Licensed in 2005? Rating(s): PRIVATE PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE Isn't the DOI referencing the latest privelege or rating issued? So he could have been private for 20 years and just now picked up his AMEL-IA. Not only that if a pilot gets a new certificate for any reason, like just wanting one of the plastic ones, the date will be reset. Also keep in mind that the guys who flew these back in the 40's while getting shot at usually had less than 2 years experience flying. |
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Here is an extract from the NTSB report on the P-51 accident.
************************************************** *********** According to preliminary information provided by Camarillo Air Traffic Control Tower personnel, the airplane, with the private pilot and a flight instructor on board, flew into the airport and made a full stop landing. The flight instructor exited the airplane after informing the tower that the pilot would be performing his first solo flight in the airplane. The airplane departed on runway 26, remained in the traffic pattern and returned for a landing on runway 26. Two controllers observed the airplane touch down and then become airborne again. At that point, it appeared to them that the pilot initiated a go around, and the airplane immediately rolled left and impacted the ground beside the runway in an inverted position. ************************************************** ************** This describes a classic torque roll with high power, low airspeed and not leading with enought right rudder to counter the torque I saw several of these first hand dring my years flying the P-51. We ended up teaching new checkouts to only use 30 or so inches on go around (at least until they got some airspeed back up and had enough rudder to hold the torque). A bloody shame to lose both the pilot and aircraft. Big John ************************************************* On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:09:19 -0500, Big John wrote: Peter I was one of those WWII guys that ended up in a P-51. First got about 10-12 back seat landings in a T-6. Then checked out in the P-40. Then went to a 51 Squadron and got a briefing from an old head on engine operation and takeoff and landing speeds and then flew the bird. Don't remember many accidents on check out in 51. Certainly not like the original B-26 (one a day in Tampa bay). Big John ************************************************* ***** On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:23:44 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: Peter Clark wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:50:58 -0700, "Gatt" wrote: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... DOI: 6/18/2005 Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT That's pushing it for a Mustang, isn't it? Licensed in 2005? Rating(s): PRIVATE PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE Isn't the DOI referencing the latest privelege or rating issued? So he could have been private for 20 years and just now picked up his AMEL-IA. Not only that if a pilot gets a new certificate for any reason, like just wanting one of the plastic ones, the date will be reset. Also keep in mind that the guys who flew these back in the 40's while getting shot at usually had less than 2 years experience flying. |
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