Jumbo Tanker Accident

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:50:58 -0700, "Gatt"
wrote:


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .

DOI: 6/18/2005
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT

That's pushing it for a Mustang, isn't it? Licensed in 2005?

Rating(s):
PRIVATE PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE


Isn't the DOI referencing the latest privelege or rating issued? So
he could have been private for 20 years and just now picked up his
AMEL-IA.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

Does anyone have an update on this?

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_6382818?source=rss

"CAMARILLO - A pilot died this morning when he crashed his vintage P-51
Mustang into a field next to the Camarillo Airport, firefighters said."

Hey, all: If I ever die and the article about the crash includes the phrase
"his vintage P-51 Mustang", know that I have lived well.

-c
(Who cares if it's really -his- vintage Mustang? He's probably high-fiving
himself up there with Magee)

Gatt wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
DOI: 6/18/2005
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT

That's pushing it for a Mustang, isn't it? Licensed in 2005?

Did the original P-51 pilots get two years of experience before flying
them? G

I would imagine the 2005 may be the last rating added.

Peter Clark wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:50:58 -0700, "Gatt"
wrote:


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

DOI: 6/18/2005
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT

That's pushing it for a Mustang, isn't it? Licensed in 2005?

Rating(s):
PRIVATE PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE


Isn't the DOI referencing the latest privelege or rating issued? So
he could have been private for 20 years and just now picked up his
AMEL-IA.

Not only that if a pilot gets a new certificate for any reason, like just
wanting one of the plastic ones, the date will be reset.

Also keep in mind that the guys who flew these back in the 40's while
getting shot at usually had less than 2 years experience flying.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:07:43 -0700, "Gatt"
wrote in :


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .

Does anyone have an update on this?

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_6382818?source=rss

"CAMARILLO - A pilot died this morning when he crashed his vintage P-51
Mustang into a field next to the Camarillo Airport, firefighters said."



P-51 OWNER KILLED IN FIRST NON-SUPERVISED FLIGHT
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#195640)
John McKittrick, 42, of Thousand Oaks, Calif., was killed Sunday
morning as he practiced takeoffs and landings on his own for the
first time in his vintage P-51D Mustang. McKittrick, an
experienced pilot, had been flying with an instructor and landed
at Camarillo Airport. The instructor had just gotten out of the
aircraft and told tower controllers that McKittrick would be
soloing the airplane and would stay in the pattern, an FAA
spokesman told the Ventura County Star

(http://www.venturacountystar.com/new...-plane-crash/).
According to the FAA

(http://www.venturacountystar.com/new...s-identified/),
the airplane bounced on landing, ran off the side of the runway
and flipped. The vintage Mustang broke apart in the accident, but
there was no post-crash fire.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#195640

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

Also keep in mind that the guys who flew these back in the 40's while
getting shot at usually had less than 2 years experience flying.

True. But most of that flying time was training in a phased and regimented
course on a full-time basis. In other words, they were -full time- 90 day
wonders.

A civilian pilot can get his complex, high performance and taildragger
ratings at his leisure and without as much persistence and currency as
somebody who had a full-time flight instruction every day for three months.
In addition, the 90-day wonders who flew Mustangs back in the day were the
ones who weren't washed out first. They couldn't just lay out a few
thousand dollars and buy themselves a checkout in a P-51. If they weren't
skilled and better-than-average pilots by the time they got near a Mustang,
they'd have never flown one.

-c

This from the newspaper article:

"Worldwide, there are only about 40 P-51s still flying, and they can
sell for more than $1.5 million, deBree said"

Forty still flying? I'd says it's about 5 times that number, perhaps
a bit more.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:24:28 -0700, Jay Honeck
wrote in .com:

This from the newspaper article:

"Worldwide, there are only about 40 P-51s still flying, and they can
sell for more than $1.5 million, deBree said"

Forty still flying? I'd says it's about 5 times that number, perhaps
a bit more.

Given:


http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...0&cmndfind.y=0

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FAA Registry
Make / Model Inquiry Results

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Manufacturer Name Entered : None
Model Name Entered : P-51
Number of Records: 112 (Page 1 of 3)

What percentage of the registered P-51s do you figure are airworthy?

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:57:47 -0700, Richard Riley
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:53:00 -0700, "Gatt"
wrote:


"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

Also keep in mind that the guys who flew these back in the 40's while
getting shot at usually had less than 2 years experience flying.

True. But most of that flying time was training in a phased and regimented
course on a full-time basis. In other words, they were -full time- 90 day
wonders.

A civilian pilot can get his complex, high performance and taildragger
ratings at his leisure and without as much persistence and currency as
somebody who had a full-time flight instruction every day for three months.
In addition, the 90-day wonders who flew Mustangs back in the day were the
ones who weren't washed out first. They couldn't just lay out a few
thousand dollars and buy themselves a checkout in a P-51. If they weren't
skilled and better-than-average pilots by the time they got near a Mustang,
they'd have never flown one.

And I've read (but cannot verify) that more WW2 fighters and pilots
were lost in accidents than in combat. So even the full time
non-wash-out 90 day wonders had their own bad days.

One a day in Tampa Bay!

Think of it this way. Currently the primary training is done
contract. They are expected to earn the PPL in 50 hours if I read
correctly.

"Richard Riley" wrote:


And I've read (but cannot verify) that more WW2 fighters and pilots
were lost in accidents than in combat.

A veteran of the battles of Midway and Guadalcanal told me the same thing,
and the difference in numbers wasn't small, either.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM