History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:





"Walt" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -

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I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -

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A B-17?

Walt

Walt wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:

...but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


A B-17?

Walt


That's his point. The history channel is run by people who don't give
an iota about accuracy. The voice-over will be about one thing, and the
visual will be whatever they could find on file. It would be no stretch
at all for them to talk about a B-17 while showing a picture of a
fighter crashing on a flight deck. (A very impressive crash it was, too.)

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"William Hanson" wrote in message
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Walt wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:

...but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while
talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


A B-17?

Walt


That's his point. The history channel is run by people who don't give
an iota about accuracy. The voice-over will be about one thing, and the
visual will be whatever they could find on file. It would be no stretch
at all for them to talk about a B-17 while showing a picture of a
fighter crashing on a flight deck. (A very impressive crash it was, too.)




they always show germans advancing across the russian steppes in high
summer while talking about the ardennes.

On Jul 18, 2:52 am, Walt wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote:





On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:

"Walt" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A B-17?

Walt

My point there is that they seem to almost randomly insert some
footage in completely inappropriate places.

On Jul 19, 11:09?pm, Gordon wrote:
My point there is that they seem to almost randomly insert some
footage in completely inappropriate places.- Hide quoted text -

"They" is any producer in a hurry; it's not a History Channel policy.
"Dogfights" is trying pretty hard to get it straight--they didn't have
to put Shamrock Bay markings on those FM-2's last week.
OTOH there was that wowee-graphics sea war doc a year or so ago
talking about the British Navy and showing the Italian Fleet footage.
That cues up the off button and the "reinforcements" montage from
"Duck Soup": Tarzan's ape army, tree monkeys and porposes racing to
help Fredonia.