Investigators Say Student Pilots Should Be Flagged

Hi,

In article ,
Peter wrote:
The proposal at the end of the report seemed to make the Student/Tyro call
sign a recommended standard for all student solo flights, which would
suddenly end when the private pilot certificate was issued. IMHO, that is
an egregious idea for at least two reasons: 1) it is just one more example
of the worse of the "Nanny State" and 2) it suddenly ends exactly when the
new pilot is first exposed to the distraction and responsibility of
passengers.

The flying order for the club I'm flying at (at a military field) contains
the following:

To indicate their relative inexperience, solo students may use the prefix
'TYRO' on their first call on frequency. E.g. 'XYZ Ground G-ANDY
TYRO request taxi solo ABC departure.' Aircraft not using TYRO will be
assumed capable of accepting non standard instructions including turns below
500 ft to clear the departure lane after take off.

The key phrase there is 'to indicate their relative inexperience'. If the
report is recommending that this call sign prefix should stop the day
someone passes their checkride, then yes, that's perhaps not such a good
thing.

I would imagine it would be good to allow *any* pilot to use the prefix when
(for example) landing at a new airfield for the first time to indicate to
the controllers that they may perhaps not be completely au fait with
procedures at that field.

It's not gonna solve all problems like this, but surely anything that can
reduce them is good, no?

Andy

"Andy Hawkins" wrote in message
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Hi,

In article ,
Peter wrote:
The proposal at the end of the report seemed to make the Student/Tyro
call
sign a recommended standard for all student solo flights, which would
suddenly end when the private pilot certificate was issued. IMHO, that
is
an egregious idea for at least two reasons: 1) it is just one more
example
of the worse of the "Nanny State" and 2) it suddenly ends exactly when
the
new pilot is first exposed to the distraction and responsibility of
passengers.

The flying order for the club I'm flying at (at a military field) contains
the following:

To indicate their relative inexperience, solo students may use the prefix
'TYRO' on their first call on frequency. E.g. 'XYZ Ground G-ANDY
TYRO request taxi solo ABC departure.' Aircraft not using TYRO will be
assumed capable of accepting non standard instructions including turns
below
500 ft to clear the departure lane after take off.

The key phrase there is 'to indicate their relative inexperience'. If the
report is recommending that this call sign prefix should stop the day
someone passes their checkride, then yes, that's perhaps not such a good
thing.

I would imagine it would be good to allow *any* pilot to use the prefix
when
(for example) landing at a new airfield for the first time to indicate to
the controllers that they may perhaps not be completely au fait with
procedures at that field.

It's not gonna solve all problems like this, but surely anything that can
reduce them is good, no?

Andy

My presumption, from reading their recommendation, was that the call sign
prefix (or suffix) would end with passing the checkride.

In short, we agree.

Peter

Hi,

In article ,
Peter wrote:
My presumption, from reading their recommendation, was that the call sign
prefix (or suffix) would end with passing the checkride.

In short, we agree.

If that is their recommendation, then yes, we agree that would be an odd
'forced' cut-off.

It'd be interesting to see if the CAA were to come after a qualified PPL
that used the Tyro (or whatever) prefix to indicate inexperience...

Andy