VOR approach SMO

You can cross CULVE at 680 because the chart says "CULVE DME/RADAR MINIMA*
680-1"
You can descend to 680 past BEVEY. Look at the chart...........that's how
it's read.

Karl


"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 5:07 pm, "pgbnh" wrote:
I think all but one of the posters have missed the fact that the MDA is
not
1120 but 680. If indeed the vis was 3 miles, then the runway should have
been in sight from the MDA of 680 feet about a mile OUTSIDE of Culve.
(Remember what you can do once you have the runway in sight????) At
which
point it's not a particularly big deal to lose 500 feet to land on the
numbers. Maybe even crossing Culve at 3-400 feet agl

Please, tell me how you read the plate in a way that you can cross
CULVE below 1120 when you don't have the airport in sight?
Note I am not an IA pilot, but I really want to understand this. My
reading of the plate is:

Cross CULVE at or above 1120. If you are DME equipped and radar, you
can then descend to 680. Otherwise you gotta remain at 1120. If you
get to the VOR before seeing the airport, you execute missed.

Now if the conditions are 800 overcast 3mi, how can you see the
airport before hitting CULVE unless you are below the crossing
restriction?

On Jul 23, 5:28 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
You can cross CULVE at 680 because the chart says "CULVE DME/RADAR MINIMA*
680-1"
You can descend to 680 past BEVEY. Look at the chart...........that's how
it's read.


So, iff you have DME and RADAR, the _1120_ in profile view changes to
_680_, right?

That is a *bit* confusing.

Correct. That's why there's a little * next to the 1120*.


Karl
"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 5:28 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
You can cross CULVE at 680 because the chart says "CULVE DME/RADAR
MINIMA*
680-1"
You can descend to 680 past BEVEY. Look at the chart...........that's how
it's read.


So, iff you have DME and RADAR, the _1120_ in profile view changes to
_680_, right?

That is a *bit* confusing.

karl gruber wrote:

Correct. That's why there's a little * next to the 1120*.

And, that little "*" (black ball number 1 on Jepp chart) means you can
descend to 680 ONCE PASSING CULVE.


Karl
"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 5:28 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:

You can cross CULVE at 680 because the chart says "CULVE DME/RADAR
MINIMA*
680-1"
You can descend to 680 past BEVEY. Look at the chart...........that's how
it's read.


So, iff you have DME and RADAR, the _1120_ in profile view changes to
_680_, right?

That is a *bit* confusing.

On Jul 23, 5:43 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
Correct. That's why there's a little * next to the 1120*.


Unless they changed the rules of footnoting on me, the only thing the
little * next to 1120 tells me is that DME is required when the tower
is closed. Presumably to identify CULVE.

Doug Semler wrote:

On Jul 23, 5:43 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:

Correct. That's why there's a little * next to the 1120*.



Unless they changed the rules of footnoting on me, the only thing the
little * next to 1120 tells me is that DME is required when the tower
is closed. Presumably to identify CULVE.

Correct, but the note is a bit ambiguous. DME is not required when the
tower is closed unless you want to identify CULVE and use the lower MDA.

On Jul 23, 7:43 pm, B wrote:
Doug Semler wrote:
On Jul 23, 5:43 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:

Correct. That's why there's a little * next to the 1120*.

Unless they changed the rules of footnoting on me, the only thing the
little * next to 1120 tells me is that DME is required when the tower
is closed. Presumably to identify CULVE.

Correct, but the note is a bit ambiguous. DME is not required when the
tower is closed unless you want to identify CULVE and use the lower MDA.

You know, I kinda figured this; otherwise it would have been a VOR/DME
appch, right?