VOR approach SMO

Note this is a VOR or GPS approach. Sorry if I just assumed that there would
be on-board EITHER a DME or an IFR certified GPS that would provide the
distance-measuring requirements of the DME/Radar minima. Pretty good chance
the jet in question had both. And maybe you understand this, but youir
reference to Radar implies that maybe you do not. The 'Radar' reference is
NOT referring to whether the plane is radar equipped, but rather whether
there is radar coverage from the ground. Which in fact should allow an
aircraft WITHOUT DME to descend to 680 (if receiving advisories from the
tower/approach)
"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 5:07 pm, "pgbnh" wrote:
I think all but one of the posters have missed the fact that the MDA is
not
1120 but 680. If indeed the vis was 3 miles, then the runway should have
been in sight from the MDA of 680 feet about a mile OUTSIDE of Culve.
(Remember what you can do once you have the runway in sight????) At
which
point it's not a particularly big deal to lose 500 feet to land on the
numbers. Maybe even crossing Culve at 3-400 feet agl

Please, tell me how you read the plate in a way that you can cross
CULVE below 1120 when you don't have the airport in sight?
Note I am not an IA pilot, but I really want to understand this. My
reading of the plate is:

Cross CULVE at or above 1120. If you are DME equipped and radar, you
can then descend to 680. Otherwise you gotta remain at 1120. If you
get to the VOR before seeing the airport, you execute missed.

Now if the conditions are 800 overcast 3mi, how can you see the
airport before hitting CULVE unless you are below the crossing
restriction?

Exactly, you don't need DME or GPS. ATC can tell you where CULVE
is........with THEIR Radar.


Karl


"pgbnh" wrote in message
. ..
Note this is a VOR or GPS approach. Sorry if I just assumed that there
would be on-board EITHER a DME or an IFR certified GPS that would provide
the distance-measuring requirements of the DME/Radar minima. Pretty good
chance the jet in question had both. And maybe you understand this, but
youir reference to Radar implies that maybe you do not. The 'Radar'
reference is NOT referring to whether the plane is radar equipped, but
rather whether there is radar coverage from the ground. Which in fact
should allow an aircraft WITHOUT DME to descend to 680 (if receiving
advisories from the tower/approach)
"Doug Semler" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 23, 5:07 pm, "pgbnh" wrote:
I think all but one of the posters have missed the fact that the MDA is
not
1120 but 680. If indeed the vis was 3 miles, then the runway should have
been in sight from the MDA of 680 feet about a mile OUTSIDE of Culve.
(Remember what you can do once you have the runway in sight????) At
which
point it's not a particularly big deal to lose 500 feet to land on the
numbers. Maybe even crossing Culve at 3-400 feet agl

Please, tell me how you read the plate in a way that you can cross
CULVE below 1120 when you don't have the airport in sight?
Note I am not an IA pilot, but I really want to understand this. My
reading of the plate is:

Cross CULVE at or above 1120. If you are DME equipped and radar, you
can then descend to 680. Otherwise you gotta remain at 1120. If you
get to the VOR before seeing the airport, you execute missed.

Now if the conditions are 800 overcast 3mi, how can you see the
airport before hitting CULVE unless you are below the crossing
restriction?

They can call BEVEY, too, workload permitting.

karl gruber wrote:

Exactly, you don't need DME or GPS. ATC can tell you where CULVE
is........with THEIR Radar.

On Jul 23, 5:41 pm, "pgbnh" wrote:
Note this is a VOR or GPS approach. Sorry if I just assumed that there would
be on-board EITHER a DME or an IFR certified GPS that would provide the
distance-measuring requirements of the DME/Radar minima. Pretty good chance
the jet in question had both. And maybe you understand this, but youir
reference to Radar implies that maybe you do not. The 'Radar' reference is
NOT referring to whether the plane is radar equipped, but rather whether
there is radar coverage from the ground. Which in fact should allow an
aircraft WITHOUT DME to descend to 680 (if receiving advisories from the
tower/approach)

No I completely understand what RADAR means. I know it means radar
contact from ATC. I mistyped an "and" instead of "or" in a previous
post about whether the different crossing restrictions were allowed if
and only if there was DME on board or radar guidance from ATC.

shrug It seems inconsistent with other uses of "/" (e.g. VOR/DME)
meaningthat both are required.