VOR approach SMO

On Jul 24, 10:00 am, Roy Smith wrote:

Your original statement that you "touched down about 3/4 down the runway".
That set warning bells off in my head. Were you planning on touching down
that far down the runway,

Pretty much that's what I expected would happen.

or did you just come in too high and fast and
that's when you managed to stop flying?

Of course I came in high and fast. That's really the point of this
thread, that the approach requires you to be high and fast (my minimum
IFR approach speed is 90 knots) and of course I was 1120 about 2 miles
from the end of the runway as required by the approach.

You seemed surprised that the Gulfsteam driver behind you managed to land
on the beginning of the runway.

And I'm still surprised.

I'm guessing he had the approach planned
out far in advance and knew what descent rates he would need and what
configuration it would take to get that.

You keep referring planning. I'm not sure what planning you are
referring to in this context. The fact is that the GulfStream probably
had to have a good 1300 ft/min decent rate (assuming he flew the
approach perfectly). I'm surprised a GulfStream can do that because a
Mooney certainly cannot. I had gear and flaps out with power at idle
and couldn't do anywhere near that.

The point is that is it almost certain that the GulfStream was
familiar with the approach and decided to drop down early. My guess is
that a lot of the jets flying into SMO during low overcast are
dropping down to the MDA before CULVE just because they know its the
only way for them to hit the numbers.


And I'm guessing you didn't,
which is why you ended up touching down 3/4 of the way down the runway.

Well, guesses are what you pay for them.

-Robert, CFII

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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You keep referring planning. I'm not sure what planning you are
referring to in this context. The fact is that the GulfStream probably
had to have a good 1300 ft/min decent rate (assuming he flew the
approach perfectly). I'm surprised a GulfStream can do that because a
Mooney certainly cannot. I had gear and flaps out with power at idle
and couldn't do anywhere near that.

The point is that is it almost certain that the GulfStream was
familiar with the approach and decided to drop down early. My guess is
that a lot of the jets flying into SMO during low overcast are
dropping down to the MDA before CULVE just because they know its the
only way for them to hit the numbers.


Or perhaps his spoilers were working? Does your Mooney have them?

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Of course I came in high and fast. That's really the point of this
thread, that the approach requires you to be high and fast (my minimum
IFR approach speed is 90 knots) and of course I was 1120 about 2 miles
from the end of the runway as required by the approach.

What's the rationale for the minimum IFR approach speed of 90 knots? A
slower approach speed will get you the required descent angle.

Try flying approaches at different speeds in VMC and see what you get.

DB