GPS Cellphone Tracking - Track Anyone Anytime Anywhere

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Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
Doug wrote:
The police in the US can do it. And you don't have to be talking on
your cellphone, it just has to be on. They need the cooperation of
the cellphone company, and that is SUPPOSED to requre a warrant (I
believe). All cellphones sold in US have a GPS chip. This does not
mean your cell phone has GPS navigation. They have sold all of this
because of the 911 desire to locate a 911 caller. But it's another
Big Brother item as well.

If you are concerned about this sort of thing, you really should
contribute to the ACLU. They fight abuse of this sort of stuff
better than anyone.


ALL CELL PHONES IN THE US DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A GPS CHIP.

All cell phones will have to conform to a E911 standard. Of the big
boys Verizon, Sprint and Alltel are using a version that uses GPS.
AT&T is using one that uses triangulation.

As more people use cell phones as their only phone line having E911
available is important.

While the ability to use your cell phone to find you will be
enhanced with E911. Don't think for a second that the government
could not have done it and did do it before E911.

Everyone knows that the only way to protect yourself from Big
Brother is to wear a tin foil hat.

Yes, but to get onto a carrier's service that chose GPS, you must have
a GPS enabled phone.

The practical result of that will be that eventually it will be
difficult if not impossible to buy a phone in the US without GPS.


No, you will be able to buy one from one of the largest companies in the US.
AT&T.

Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
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Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
Doug wrote:
The police in the US can do it. And you don't have to be talking on
your cellphone, it just has to be on. They need the cooperation of
the cellphone company, and that is SUPPOSED to requre a warrant (I
believe). All cellphones sold in US have a GPS chip. This does not
mean your cell phone has GPS navigation. They have sold all of this
because of the 911 desire to locate a 911 caller. But it's another
Big Brother item as well.

If you are concerned about this sort of thing, you really should
contribute to the ACLU. They fight abuse of this sort of stuff
better than anyone.


ALL CELL PHONES IN THE US DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A GPS CHIP.

All cell phones will have to conform to a E911 standard. Of the big
boys Verizon, Sprint and Alltel are using a version that uses GPS.
AT&T is using one that uses triangulation.

As more people use cell phones as their only phone line having E911
available is important.

While the ability to use your cell phone to find you will be
enhanced with E911. Don't think for a second that the government
could not have done it and did do it before E911.

Everyone knows that the only way to protect yourself from Big
Brother is to wear a tin foil hat.

Yes, but to get onto a carrier's service that chose GPS, you must have
a GPS enabled phone.

The practical result of that will be that eventually it will be
difficult if not impossible to buy a phone in the US without GPS.


No, you will be able to buy one from one of the largest companies in the US.
AT&T.

Assuming AT&T doesn't sell off its wireless division AGAIN and AT&T
doesn't jump fully into its announced parterships with carriers going
the GPS route and someone is willing to make phones that only work
with non-GPS carriers which are a fraction of the US market now.

I wouldn't put money on that bet.

None GPS phones will go away because of market forces, not regulation,
just like BetaMax, floppy drives (8, 5, or 3 inch, take your pick),
record players, 8 track and eventually ordinary photographic film
as the GPS phones will be more generally usefull.

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Jim Pennino

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Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

Assuming AT&T doesn't sell off its wireless division AGAIN and AT&T
doesn't jump fully into its announced parterships with carriers going
the GPS route and someone is willing to make phones that only work
with non-GPS carriers which are a fraction of the US market now.

I wouldn't put money on that bet.

None GPS phones will go away because of market forces, not regulation,
just like BetaMax, floppy drives (8, 5, or 3 inch, take your pick),
record players, 8 track and eventually ordinary photographic film
as the GPS phones will be more generally usefull.

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Why would market forces drive out the Non-GPS phones? Most people don't use
the GPS chip in the phone. The requirement for location is there because the
feds said it needed to be there and most people who do care just want 911 to
know where they are. They could care less how 911 knows where they are.

Now, if AT&T cells the wireless division all bets are off because the people
they sell it to are using the GPS system. But, I don't see that happening.
AT&T is just about back where they were in the 70s with just enough
competition to forestall another federal break-up. For more info please this
video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...85759717366066

Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
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Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

Assuming AT&T doesn't sell off its wireless division AGAIN and AT&T
doesn't jump fully into its announced parterships with carriers going
the GPS route and someone is willing to make phones that only work
with non-GPS carriers which are a fraction of the US market now.

I wouldn't put money on that bet.

None GPS phones will go away because of market forces, not regulation,
just like BetaMax, floppy drives (8, 5, or 3 inch, take your pick),
record players, 8 track and eventually ordinary photographic film
as the GPS phones will be more generally usefull.

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Why would market forces drive out the Non-GPS phones? Most people don't use
the GPS chip in the phone. The requirement for location is there because the
feds said it needed to be there and most people who do care just want 911 to
know where they are. They could care less how 911 knows where they are.

You totally missed the point.

Almost no one, as in regular people, is going to use the GPS chip in
the phone for anything. If phones start getting a GPS display, that will
change. I wouldn't think it will take long for that to happen.

The point is a big portion of the major carriers are going with GPS
technology.

To get on their network you will need a GPS phone. When your current
none-GPS phone dies, you will need to replace it with a GPS phone.

Even if you go with AT&T, if you want the ability to roam on other
carriers, you will need a GPS phone.

As time passes, the MAKERS of phones are more likely to make one
type of phone that contains both the GPS chip and the triangulation
stuff simply because it will be easier to support one manufacturing
line rather than two.

Now, if AT&T cells the wireless division all bets are off because the people
they sell it to are using the GPS system. But, I don't see that happening.
AT&T is just about back where they were in the 70s with just enough
competition to forestall another federal break-up. For more info please this
video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...85759717366066

It would be strange for AT&T to sell off the wireless operation AGAIN.

--
Jim Pennino

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Why would market forces drive out the Non-GPS phones? Most people
don't use the GPS chip in the phone. The requirement for location is
there because the feds said it needed to be there and most people
who do care just want 911 to know where they are. They could care
less how 911 knows where they are.

You totally missed the point.

Almost no one, as in regular people, is going to use the GPS chip in
the phone for anything. If phones start getting a GPS display, that
will change. I wouldn't think it will take long for that to happen.

The point is a big portion of the major carriers are going with GPS
technology.

To get on their network you will need a GPS phone. When your current
none-GPS phone dies, you will need to replace it with a GPS phone.

Even if you go with AT&T, if you want the ability to roam on other
carriers, you will need a GPS phone.



Do you have a cite for your assertion that AT&T non-gps phones won't be able
to roam on gps enabled systems?


As time passes, the MAKERS of phones are more likely to make one
type of phone that contains both the GPS chip and the triangulation
stuff simply because it will be easier to support one manufacturing
line rather than two.


You might be right there but AT&T is a pretty big client and if they, for
whatever reason, don't want the chip I'd be willing to bet that they have
the pull to get the phones without the chip.

Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
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Why would market forces drive out the Non-GPS phones? Most people
don't use the GPS chip in the phone. The requirement for location is
there because the feds said it needed to be there and most people
who do care just want 911 to know where they are. They could care
less how 911 knows where they are.

You totally missed the point.

Almost no one, as in regular people, is going to use the GPS chip in
the phone for anything. If phones start getting a GPS display, that
will change. I wouldn't think it will take long for that to happen.

The point is a big portion of the major carriers are going with GPS
technology.

To get on their network you will need a GPS phone. When your current
none-GPS phone dies, you will need to replace it with a GPS phone.

Even if you go with AT&T, if you want the ability to roam on other
carriers, you will need a GPS phone.

Do you have a cite for your assertion that AT&T non-gps phones won't be able
to roam on gps enabled systems?

Not offhand, but it is my understanding that after some cutoff date,
you won't be able to use a none-GPS phone on a GPS network at all.

You are free to research this at http://www.fcc.gov and show me that
I am wrong about this.

As time passes, the MAKERS of phones are more likely to make one
type of phone that contains both the GPS chip and the triangulation
stuff simply because it will be easier to support one manufacturing
line rather than two.

You might be right there but AT&T is a pretty big client and if they, for
whatever reason, don't want the chip I'd be willing to bet that they have
the pull to get the phones without the chip.

My bet is they'll use whatever is available at a reasonable price and
will care less if the phone has features unused on their network.


--
Jim Pennino

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Not offhand, but it is my understanding that after some cutoff date,
you won't be able to use a none-GPS phone on a GPS network at all.

You are free to research this at http://www.fcc.gov and show me that
I am wrong about this.



Come on Jim you know the rules. If you make a statement it's up to you to
provide the cite.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
they have
the pull to get the phones without the chip.


Do you have a cite for your assertion?

Jules wrote:


Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
they have
the pull to get the phones without the chip.


Do you have a cite for your assertion?

Low blow.

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Jim Pennino

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Jules wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
they have
the pull to get the phones without the chip.


Do you have a cite for your assertion?

Of course I do.

http://www.tnstelecoms.com/press-3-13-06.html