Biggest bonehead moves flying into OSH?

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message


I don't see any statistics there regarding an unplanned 20+ mile
swim in Lake Michigan.

Not to worry. The water is so cold even a good swimmer would sucumb to
hypothermia well before reaching shore. Going across from Ludington
it's 50 miles so the swim could be 25 miles.

Both of you are assuming no survival gear. I won't argue the point strongly
since I wouldn't be comfortable down low even with survival gear and one can
argue (safely, I think) that somebody willing to fly across that much water
at 2000 feet may well be willing to do so without any gear at all.

However, my point was simply to take issue with the OP's assertion that
"survival rate after ditching is very low". The stats simply don't back this
up. Sure we can always find exceptional situations that are almost
guaranteed to be fatal, but unless the OP clarifies otherwise, this
statement was nothing more than repeating an OWT. Ditching is quite
survivable.

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"John T" wrote in message
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Both of you are assuming no survival gear. I won't argue the point
strongly since I wouldn't be comfortable down low even with survival gear
and one can argue (safely, I think) that somebody willing to fly across
that much water at 2000 feet may well be willing to do so without any gear
at all.

However, my point was simply to take issue with the OP's assertion that
"survival rate after ditching is very low". The stats simply don't back
this up. Sure we can always find exceptional situations that are almost
guaranteed to be fatal, but unless the OP clarifies otherwise, this
statement was nothing more than repeating an OWT. Ditching is quite
survivable.


The OP's assertion had nothing to do with the ditching.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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However, my point was simply to take issue with the OP's assertion
that "survival rate after ditching is very low". The stats simply
don't back this up. Sure we can always find exceptional situations
that are almost guaranteed to be fatal, but unless the OP clarifies
otherwise, this statement was nothing more than repeating an OWT.
Ditching is quite survivable.

The OP's assertion had nothing to do with the ditching.

Ah. I must have been confused by the "after ditching" part...

If either of you have stats to the contrary - even if they're specific to
Lake Michigan, I'm interested.

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"John T" wrote in message
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Ah. I must have been confused by the "after ditching" part...


I have no idea what confused you.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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[nothing of consequence]

Those with a copy of the NOTAM land runway 18, those without land
runway 90...those of you landing on runway 90 have your wallet out,
your stupidity just cost you a fine. We only accept cash and major
credit cards (a 4% surcharge for CC payments will be added to your
fine).

To bad there wasn't some way of only accepting pilots that have been
briefed or have/understand the NOTAM. Some sort of reservation number
which you can download a receipt of to post inside your windshield.
Those without would be charged a 'failure to comply fee'; 'damn I'm
dumb fee'; 'forgot follow the procedure to pull my head out of my a_ _
fee', this list could go on for ever.

Even a student pilot (at least I was) is required to obtain proof of
landing during a cross country. Why couldn't folks be directed to an
intermediate designated stop enroute to get briefed on the NOTAM. I
know Iowa City would be agreeable with this, means maybe a few more
would spend the night and or purchase fuel. Those who fail to follow
procedures have to stand in line to talk to the FSDO upon arrival at
OSH. This procedure would also help prevent all those who arrive after
the airshow starts and are forced to orbit or land elsewhere..."You
are aware that OSH closes for arrivals in fifteen minutes, you can
either stay here or land at an alternate...whatcha gonna do?"

That is a tradition rooted in antiquity, but not in regulation.

Jim

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"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
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Even a student pilot (at least I was) is required to obtain proof of
landing during a cross country.