F-86 and sound barrier

"Corey C. Jordan" wrote in message
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On 22 Sep 2003 09:55:54 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

The USAF likes to cover up everything and they are very good at it.
But answering your question- an emphatic "No" will suffice.
It was the Luftwaffe that broke Mach 1 back in the closing days of
WW2. Check out the Wright Patterson Official Manual on Flying the
Me-262 (circa 1946). It says that the Me-262 can break the sound
barrier in a shallow dive. So either one of the captured 262s flown by
a US pilot broke Mach 1 or the information came from German sources in
1945. Anyway, the official manual precedes Yeager's official flight-
fact.

There's a small problem with this myth. At speeds beyond Mach 0.88, the
Me 262 begins shedding major components, wings and such.

But Corey, you lied about Copp, so why would anyone at ram ever believe you
again?

There's a small problem with this myth. At speeds beyond Mach 0.88, the
Me 262 begins shedding major components, wings and such.

But Corey, you lied about Copp, so why would anyone at ram ever believe you
again?

How about me? I don't know Copp from Copralite, but I _know_ that the Me 262
was a subsonic airframe with subsonic engines.

Gordon

"Gordon" wrote in message
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There's a small problem with this myth. At speeds beyond Mach 0.88, the
Me 262 begins shedding major components, wings and such.

But Corey, you lied about Copp, so why would anyone at ram ever believe
you
again?

How about me? I don't know Copp from Copralite, but I _know_ that the Me
262
was a subsonic airframe with subsonic engines.

Hey, how are you doing Gordon. I don't doubt what you know, I just see no
purpose to parrots.

Hey, how are you doing Gordon.

Doing better every day - thanks for asking.

I don't doubt what you know, I just see no
purpose to parrots.

Sorry, I just get upset when I see folks posting chaff about one of the very
few subjects that I feel qualified to comment upon. I don't know what Rob's
garage looks like, but mine is packed chest high with file boxes from BAMA and
NARA, loaded with little but Me 262 documents. I know Rob loves his subject,
but I wish he'd take the extra step of trying to verify what he posts, instead
of saying, "I read it in ONE book, so its carved in stone." I've yet to see
him respond to any of the specific points I raise, concerning the engine
nacelle shape, pilot names, etc., but I guess I am ****ing him off by simply
not agreeing that the 262 is somehow capable of supersonic flight. It isn't,
and he has no ability to prove it was.

You want to know something odd? That pilot's manual, with its subtle reference
to supersonic characteristics, is one of the first books I ever owned (I had
the older Aero publications version). That paragraph really got me going and
because of it, I asked every jet pilot I could find if it were possible. Its
one of the questions that sent me off on 20+ years of researching the Me 262.
Strange to see that old book, and its single reference, leading someone else
down a blind corridor. The real problem is that he will not have the benefit
of first hand information, from people who were there, to draw from to help him
form an informed opinion on the matter.

Gordon

"Gordon" wrote in message
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Hey, how are you doing Gordon.

Doing better every day - thanks for asking.

I don't doubt what you know, I just see no
purpose to parrots.

Sorry, I just get upset when I see folks posting chaff about one of the
very
few subjects that I feel qualified to comment upon.

Well ya' know, I have had my fill of kook trolls. I know I was probably as
guilty as anyone for supporting the Shafer kook troll, but at some point it
gets a little rediculess. I mean, I know Bon-Myer and Myer, they once asked
to be my friends. Lately though, we still have Willshaw quoting the Shafer
kook troll on grape vines; and at the same time denying a big part of San
Juaquin Valley history.

"Gordon" wrote in message
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There's a small problem with this myth. At speeds beyond Mach 0.88,
the
Me 262 begins shedding major components, wings and such.

But Corey, you lied about Copp, so why would anyone at ram ever
believe you
again?

How about me? I don't know Copp from Copralite, but I _know_ that the
Me 262
was a subsonic airframe with subsonic engines.

Copralite -- petrified dinosaur poop?
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Copralite -- petrified dinosaur poop?

'zactly

"Gordon" wrote in message
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Copralite -- petrified dinosaur poop?

'zactly

As opposed to the parrot being a dinosaur poop salesman.

Shafer and Bon-Myer were lucky to be let walk away, as opposed to some
Federal charges. In addition to that RIF, Dryden is looking at a cut from
$120 million this year to $80 million in FY04. The money that I made fall
from the sky for 15 years is gone, along with any credibility the facility
still had. Thanks Dudley.

Shafer and Bon-Myer were lucky to be let walk away, as opposed to some
Federal charges.

snip

John, I don't know what you have against Mary, but from my personal experience,
she was just a gem to my son and I. He has some priceless memories due
directly to her and during our visits, it was clearly obvious that she was
looked upon as a highly respected fixture in the Dryden landscape.

Gordon

"Gordon" wrote in message
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Shafer and Bon-Myer were lucky to be let walk away, as opposed to some
Federal charges.

snip

John, I don't know what you have against Mary, but from my personal
experience,
she was just a gem to my son and I.

I left Mary to her fantasy, until Dudley's conspiracy began. It is not my
fault.

He has some priceless memories due
directly to her and during our visits, it was clearly obvious that she was
looked upon as a highly respected fixture in the Dryden landscape.

Mary grew up at Dryden, much like Bon-Myer and what you say was true until
last year. Attacking someone in the real world over some kook troll she was
running was a huge mistake and she has hurt everyone at Dryden. I am sure
Richards told her she should back away from Dudley, but even she does not
know how deep the rabbit hole goes.