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Dave,
I will happily stand corrected on the PhD issue and offer my apologies for that miss-reading... Blame it on the heat of the emotions... In fairness though you too have misread a few things.. Such as why I am opposed to yEnc or that even though I dislike using it I am in fact yEnc capable. A big Part of the reason for my anti-yEnc stance is that this group is aimed towards Amateurs in both aviation Photography AND the Newsgroups. Oh and by the way most of the other NON-Porn image groups have had similar discussions and arguments as this one has at some point in their respective histories. Why it has reached the levels of intensity that this one has I can only attribute to the fact that this a male dominated (frequently ex-military or police) group. And lads who disagree typically want to puff out their chests and expound their views. The hardest part though is resisting those urges without feeling or looking like a panzy (spelling?) showing off his frilly pink underwear in public. In my opinion given how angry people get about yEnc, it should for moment be considered a taboo subject for a few weeks in the NG. As in no discussion of why it is good or bad. No remarks about the whining (and please don't try to argue that the pro yEnc crowd doesn't whine). No snide remarks about the abilities associated with this or that reader. Just let the it die as a subject for the moment... A cooling off period that I think would do the group a world of good. I am looking at the broader issue which is what it is hurting the group. Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins. Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike yEnc... Now go get him!!! Andrew "Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:12:14 -0400, "Andrew-S" I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote: You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in Washington DC metro area have degrees. Even more impressive is that I think it is something like only 1 in 6 is actually the degree in the field for which they where trained. As for your specific graphics training? I work in a camera shop and I have at least 3 or 4 people a day tell me they either a pro or they have this or that degree in either graphics or photography. The more professional ones come in asking for advice or knowing what they want, it is only later on when they pull out a Black Amex Titanium (as in a real titanium not plastic card) with their company name on it that you realize what they are. Uhh, you need to take a course in reading comprehension, kid. Where did I say I have a PhD? I have no graphics training. (Twenty years in the Navy, twenty years as an opto-electronics engineer, ten years as a high performance driving instructor for cops, but no PhD.) d;o) Forty-three? So I *was* correct. I have kids older than you. This thing can end very easily, Andrew: Stop your incessant whining. It does not become you. As for the cowardice thingy.... we all say things on the internet that we would not say if we were face to face with each other. Your telling me to **** off is an example. I know you wouldn't say that to me face to face, not because you are a coward, but because I know you are better than that. You read to much into peoples' words. Dave (Who, at 70 and 6"1' (shrinking!), 220 pounds has absolutely NO interest in fighting anyone. Been there. Done that. Have the t-shirt.) |
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![]() Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins. Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike yEnc... Now go get him!!! Andrew The only "just posted" batch I see is mine, and all are marked "yEnc." Did I miss a batch? |
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Just Plane Noise wrote: Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins. Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike yEnc... Now go get him!!! Andrew The only "just posted" batch I see is mine, and all are marked "yEnc." Did I miss a batch? Probably you missed it. Some guy was trying to sell some old photos on ebay. He used yEnc coding without labeling them as such. He has been taken to task by a number of folks, and rightly so. BTW, JPN, thanks for all the great images. Sorry Oshkosh is over but I look forward to your contributions next summer. Best regards, Dave W. |
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snip: Just Plane Noise wrote:
(Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the I need to know! I downloaded some stuff that could be yenc. How can I tell if it was? RK |
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Andrew, I appreciate you views and your words. I do not have a dog in
this fight, which is probably why I have never entered it until the whining got so bad that *it* was hurting the ng, not yenc. For the life of me, however, I can not understand why folks would visit a binaries newsgroup with a crappy news reader. It makes no sense. Do they still have black and white TVs, fly only in propeller driven aircraft, and drink warm beer because they have no refridgeration? Of course not. The same can be said of their newsreaders. Subscribe to a good newsreader with little or no restrictions on bandwidth, and enjoy Plane's and other's postings. Or not. To take the attitude that this is "my" newsgroup, and you will do as "I" say, is wrong. It is no one's newsgroup. off my soap box Dave |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:50:56 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: Andrew, I appreciate you views and your words. I do not have a dog in this fight, which is probably why I have never entered it until the whining got so bad that *it* was hurting the ng, not yenc. For the life of me, however, I can not understand why folks would visit a binaries newsgroup with a crappy news reader. It makes no sense. Do they still have black and white TVs, fly only in propeller driven aircraft, and drink warm beer because they have no refridgeration? Of course not. The same can be said of their newsreaders. Subscribe to a good newsreader with little or no restrictions on bandwidth, and enjoy Plane's and other's postings. Or not. To take the attitude that this is "my" newsgroup, and you will do as "I" say, is wrong. It is no one's newsgroup. off my soap box Dave Dave, you know I agree with you, but I have to quibble about props. My wife calls any propeller-driven plane a "Buddy Holly plane", and since we usually travel out of Appleton, we've been on a few. I have to patiently explain to her that some of the prop-driven craft are considerably newer and more technologically sophisticated than some of the hand-me-down jets we've been on. But that leads to a story: We were scheduled to fly out of Oshkosh on Northwest's feeder, when (as often happened) Northwest simply cancelled the flight and trucked us up to Appleton. Our connection to the Pacific Northwest also changed. Upon boarding the plane, I asked the young, very blond flight attendant about flight times since we would now be going through DTW instead of MSP. She found a flight schedule, and I quickly realized she did not grasp the concept of time zones at all. Then she pulled back the cockpit curtain (this was obviously pre-9/11) to talk to the pilot. What do you know? It looked like Buffy's 18-year-old boyfriend Biff would be flying our plane today! I pointed to them, pointed to the propeller, and said to my wife "we're gonna die!" |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:50:14 -0500, Just Plane Noise
wrote: Dave, you know I agree with you, but I have to quibble about props. My wife calls any propeller-driven plane a "Buddy Holly plane", and since we usually travel out of Appleton, we've been on a few. I have to patiently explain to her that some of the prop-driven craft are considerably newer and more technologically sophisticated than some of the hand-me-down jets we've been on. But that leads to a story: We were scheduled to fly out of Oshkosh on Northwest's feeder, when (as often happened) Northwest simply cancelled the flight and trucked us up to Appleton. Our connection to the Pacific Northwest also changed. Upon boarding the plane, I asked the young, very blond flight attendant about flight times since we would now be going through DTW instead of MSP. She found a flight schedule, and I quickly realized she did not grasp the concept of time zones at all. Then she pulled back the cockpit curtain (this was obviously pre-9/11) to talk to the pilot. What do you know? It looked like Buffy's 18-year-old boyfriend Biff would be flying our plane today! I pointed to them, pointed to the propeller, and said to my wife "we're gonna die!" Too funny. I've flown on many prop aircraft and lots of jets too, having spent 20 years in the Navy. However, I have never crashed in a jet; I've crashed *twice* in prop aircraft - a C47 at Wright Patterson, and a C121 in Japan. My worse flight, however, was from Anchorage, AK to Petropovlosk, Kamchatka, Russia in a TU-214. The runway at Anchorage is smooth, until you fly in a TU-214 and you find out it feels like a dirt road full of pot holes. Funny but the Delta 757 I flew in on wasn't bumpy. Dave |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:58:18 -0400, "Andrew-S"
I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote: [sneep] In my opinion given how angry people get about yEnc, it should for moment be considered a taboo subject for a few weeks in the NG. As in no discussion of why it is good or bad. No remarks about the whining (and please don't try to argue that the pro yEnc crowd doesn't whine). If we all agreed about everything, there would be no need for democracy. Attempting to impose your will on others is a form of dictatorship. The Net is the greatest form/forum of democracy that we have on this planet. You are perfectly free to disagree with what I wrote above... it is your right to do so. [sneep] Elmo von Thud |
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