Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)

Dave,
I will happily stand corrected on the PhD issue and offer my apologies for
that miss-reading... Blame it on the heat of the emotions...

In fairness though you too have misread a few things.. Such as why I am
opposed to yEnc or that even though I dislike using it I am in fact yEnc
capable. A big Part of the reason for my anti-yEnc stance is that this
group is aimed towards Amateurs in both aviation Photography AND the
Newsgroups. Oh and by the way most of the other NON-Porn image groups have
had similar discussions and arguments as this one has at some point in their
respective histories. Why it has reached the levels of intensity that this
one has I can only attribute to the fact that this a male dominated
(frequently ex-military or police) group. And lads who disagree typically
want to puff out their chests and expound their views. The hardest part
though is resisting those urges without feeling or looking like a panzy
(spelling?) showing off his frilly pink underwear in public.

In my opinion given how angry people get about yEnc, it should for moment be
considered a taboo subject for a few weeks in the NG. As in no discussion
of why it is good or bad. No remarks about the whining (and please don't
try to argue that the pro yEnc crowd doesn't whine). No snide remarks about
the abilities associated with this or that reader. Just let the it die as a
subject for the moment... A cooling off period that I think would do the
group a world of good. I am looking at the broader issue which is what it
is hurting the group.

Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the
required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your
chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc
names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins.
Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike
yEnc...

Now go get him!!!

Andrew









"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:12:14 -0400, "Andrew-S"
I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote:

You have a PhD and your point is??? Hell 2/3rds of the population in
Washington DC metro area have degrees. Even more impressive is that I
think
it is something like only 1 in 6 is actually the degree in the field for
which they where trained. As for your specific graphics training? I work
in
a camera shop and I have at least 3 or 4 people a day tell me they either
a
pro or they have this or that degree in either graphics or photography.
The
more professional ones come in asking for advice or knowing what they
want,
it is only later on when they pull out a Black Amex Titanium (as in a
real
titanium not plastic card) with their company name on it that you realize
what they are.

Uhh, you need to take a course in reading comprehension, kid. Where
did I say I have a PhD? I have no graphics training. (Twenty years in
the Navy, twenty years as an opto-electronics engineer, ten years as a
high performance driving instructor for cops, but no PhD.) d;o)

Forty-three? So I *was* correct. I have kids older than you.

This thing can end very easily, Andrew: Stop your incessant whining.
It does not become you.

As for the cowardice thingy.... we all say things on the internet that
we would not say if we were face to face with each other. Your
telling me to **** off is an example. I know you wouldn't say that to
me face to face, not because you are a coward, but because I know you
are better than that. You read to much into peoples' words.

Dave
(Who, at 70 and 6"1' (shrinking!), 220 pounds has absolutely NO
interest in fighting anyone. Been there. Done that. Have the
t-shirt.)

Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the
required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your
chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc
names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins.
Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike
yEnc...

Now go get him!!!

Andrew


The only "just posted" batch I see is mine, and all are marked "yEnc."
Did I miss a batch?

In article ,
Just Plane Noise wrote:


Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the
required yEnc in the subject line. Now then yEnc supporters here is your
chance to enforce your own rules... I fully expect to see all the pro yEnc
names that have engaged the anti-yEnc side when the flaming begins.
Preferable without all the nasty comments regarding those of us who dislike
yEnc...

Now go get him!!!

Andrew


The only "just posted" batch I see is mine, and all are marked "yEnc."
Did I miss a batch?

Probably you missed it. Some guy was trying to sell some old photos on
ebay. He used yEnc coding without labeling them as such. He has been
taken to task by a number of folks, and rightly so.

BTW, JPN, thanks for all the great images. Sorry Oshkosh is over but I
look forward to your contributions next summer.

Best regards,
Dave W.

snip: Just Plane Noise wrote:
(Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the



I need to know!

I downloaded some stuff that could be yenc. How can I tell if it was?

RK

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:49:36 GMT, (Rusty
Knuckle) wrote:

snip: Just Plane Noise wrote:
(Having said that someone just posted a batch of images in yEnc without the



I need to know!

I downloaded some stuff that could be yenc. How can I tell if it was?

RK

Believe it or not, I don't know even though I post that way. If you know you DON'T have yEnc decoding, and you try to open one that is yEnc encoded, you won't be successful.
But if you DO have it, you'll see the images without being aware
oftheir encoding. It is what some of us have said all along--the
handling of yEnc images is absolutely transparent--I must have opened
thousands of them before even knowing what yEnc was or meant.

Andrew, I appreciate you views and your words. I do not have a dog in
this fight, which is probably why I have never entered it until the
whining got so bad that *it* was hurting the ng, not yenc. For the
life of me, however, I can not understand why folks would visit a
binaries newsgroup with a crappy news reader. It makes no sense. Do
they still have black and white TVs, fly only in propeller driven
aircraft, and drink warm beer because they have no refridgeration? Of
course not. The same can be said of their newsreaders. Subscribe to
a good newsreader with little or no restrictions on bandwidth, and
enjoy Plane's and other's postings. Or not.

To take the attitude that this is "my" newsgroup, and you will do as
"I" say, is wrong. It is no one's newsgroup.

off my soap box

Dave

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:50:56 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

Andrew, I appreciate you views and your words. I do not have a dog in
this fight, which is probably why I have never entered it until the
whining got so bad that *it* was hurting the ng, not yenc. For the
life of me, however, I can not understand why folks would visit a
binaries newsgroup with a crappy news reader. It makes no sense. Do
they still have black and white TVs, fly only in propeller driven
aircraft, and drink warm beer because they have no refridgeration? Of
course not. The same can be said of their newsreaders. Subscribe to
a good newsreader with little or no restrictions on bandwidth, and
enjoy Plane's and other's postings. Or not.

To take the attitude that this is "my" newsgroup, and you will do as
"I" say, is wrong. It is no one's newsgroup.

off my soap box

Dave




Dave, you know I agree with you, but I have to quibble about props. My
wife calls any propeller-driven plane a "Buddy Holly plane", and since
we usually travel out of Appleton, we've been on a few. I have to
patiently explain to her that some of the prop-driven craft are
considerably newer and more technologically sophisticated than some of
the hand-me-down jets we've been on. But that leads to a story:

We were scheduled to fly out of Oshkosh on Northwest's feeder, when
(as often happened) Northwest simply cancelled the flight and trucked
us up to Appleton. Our connection to the Pacific Northwest also
changed. Upon boarding the plane, I asked the young, very blond
flight attendant about flight times since we would now be going
through DTW instead of MSP. She found a flight schedule, and I
quickly realized she did not grasp the concept of time zones at all.
Then she pulled back the cockpit curtain (this was obviously pre-9/11)
to talk to the pilot. What do you know? It looked like Buffy's
18-year-old boyfriend Biff would be flying our plane today! I pointed
to them, pointed to the propeller, and said to my wife "we're gonna
die!"

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:50:14 -0500, Just Plane Noise
wrote:

Dave, you know I agree with you, but I have to quibble about props. My
wife calls any propeller-driven plane a "Buddy Holly plane", and since
we usually travel out of Appleton, we've been on a few. I have to
patiently explain to her that some of the prop-driven craft are
considerably newer and more technologically sophisticated than some of
the hand-me-down jets we've been on. But that leads to a story:

We were scheduled to fly out of Oshkosh on Northwest's feeder, when
(as often happened) Northwest simply cancelled the flight and trucked
us up to Appleton. Our connection to the Pacific Northwest also
changed. Upon boarding the plane, I asked the young, very blond
flight attendant about flight times since we would now be going
through DTW instead of MSP. She found a flight schedule, and I
quickly realized she did not grasp the concept of time zones at all.
Then she pulled back the cockpit curtain (this was obviously pre-9/11)
to talk to the pilot. What do you know? It looked like Buffy's
18-year-old boyfriend Biff would be flying our plane today! I pointed
to them, pointed to the propeller, and said to my wife "we're gonna
die!"

Too funny.

I've flown on many prop aircraft and lots of jets too, having spent 20
years in the Navy. However, I have never crashed in a jet; I've
crashed *twice* in prop aircraft - a C47 at Wright Patterson, and a
C121 in Japan.

My worse flight, however, was from Anchorage, AK to Petropovlosk,
Kamchatka, Russia in a TU-214. The runway at Anchorage is smooth,
until you fly in a TU-214 and you find out it feels like a dirt road
full of pot holes. Funny but the Delta 757 I flew in on wasn't bumpy.

Dave

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:58:18 -0400, "Andrew-S"
I-Still-Hate-Spammers@Sorry-I had-to-leave-for-bit.com wrote:

[sneep]

In my opinion given how angry people get about yEnc, it should for moment be
considered a taboo subject for a few weeks in the NG. As in no discussion
of why it is good or bad. No remarks about the whining (and please don't
try to argue that the pro yEnc crowd doesn't whine).

If we all agreed about everything, there would be no need for
democracy.

Attempting to impose your will on others is a form of dictatorship.

The Net is the greatest form/forum of democracy that we have on this
planet.

You are perfectly free to disagree with what I wrote above... it is
your right to do so.

[sneep]

Elmo von Thud