Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)

My second post on this subject.....
Flame suit on :-)
WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files?
Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download and save
them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software.
And this from about six years back already, when I started net surfing.
Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country of mine, is a
bonus.
Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and discreetly ask
for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings, I learnt that the
embarrassing way :-)

Buffy

"G.Kuhn" wrote in message
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My second post on this subject.....
Flame suit on :-)
WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files?
Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download and
save them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software.
And this from about six years back already, when I started net surfing.
Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country of mine, is a
bonus.
Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and discreetly ask
for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings, I learnt that the
embarrassing way :-)

Buffy


Hi, Buffy !

Perhaps I can explain the problem to you since you don't seem to be of the
same brash ilk as the bombastic group of kids who charged into this group
and exiled our most prolific and congenial long-term posters.

There is nothing wrong with yEnc. Mr. Noise explained it very well - if a
person is a user of many newsgroups and downloads media files, e-books and
other large files then something like yEnc is nearly mandatory. On the
other hand, this is a still picture group where the file sizes rarely exceed
300KB. A file that size will download with yEnc in about 10 seconds on a
DSL connection, around 12 seconds without yEnc. Two seconds may be an
eternity for an impetuous youngster but it is totally insignificant in this
newsgroup. Step up to cable service and differences in D/L time become
almost immeasurable.

With that said, the real reason(s) for the regular members here wanting to
ban yEnc is that some are TOO OLD to understand how to install ANY kind of
software on their computers. Some are (or were, before they bailed) barely
able to use email and read this newsgroup. So, should we just tell them to
fuddle off or upgrade? I doubt if the invaders would tell their own
grandparents to F-off but for some reason they don't hesitate to tell those
here to do the same.

This is a global group of people who share the same love for aviation
photos. The older members have provided a wealth of historical information
regarding vintage aircraft, their experiences in various wars, and have been
most generous by providing priceless information of a historical nature.
Some of these same people are embarrassed to reveal a lack of skill using a
computer and will simply leave to avoid the insolence of some snot-nosed kid
who tells them to get out of the dark ages and upgrade to *their*
standards.

This is why a large amount of time was invested here to hammer out a usage
guideline that would be agreeable to all regardless of their computer
skills.

Is this too difficult to understand?

gdp

Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely
done!!

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang"
wrote:

Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely
done!!


Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
****ing contests don't really help, do they?

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang"
wrote:

Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense.
Nicely
done!!


Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
****ing contests don't really help, do they?

Dave


Dave,

I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your
age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers.
Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are
insisting we do?

At our ages, you and I are an exception - not a norm.

gdp

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt"
wrote:


Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
****ing contests don't really help, do they?

Dave


Dave,

I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your
age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers.
Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are
insisting we do?

At our ages, you and I are an exception - not a norm.


I see Don is repeating that same nonsense implying force. I never
insisted on anything. Yes, you need yEnc decoding to see my pictures,
but you also need a newsreader, and a computer. So even if I didn't
use yEnc, I'd be leaving behind those who lacked that hardware and
software. Perhaps I should just print my pictures and snailmail them
out to all! Otherwise I'm "forcing" them to either buy a computer or
be "left behind."

The notion of "struggle" is also phony. Downloading Agent and
clicking "install" is hardly a struggle. "Struggle" is what I did
this morning after I installed a different firewall and found that I
could not get Windows to load--that took some computer experience,
time, and liberal use of profanity directed at Zone Alarm, Webroot,
and Microsoft. There's no struggle in getting yEnc decoding at
all--at least not the way I did it. As I've pointed out before, I
knew very little about yEnc until the brouhaha on this group, and you
don't need to understand it one bit to use it--in fact, it is no more
complicated than the UU encoding one person erroneously referred to as
"basic."

About the only thing that can be said for sticking with UU encoding
only is that it was the way things had always been done. I am totally
impatient with that attitude, and I expect that I always will be no
matter how old I live to be. I like new things, I like progress.

And the idea that such attitudes are the exception in older folks is
just flat-out ageism. Don's claim would provoke laughter at our local
senior center (which is fully computer-equipped).

I'm giving Don the "straw man creation" prize.

"Just Plane Noise" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt"
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I see Don is repeating that same nonsense implying force.

And I see that anything that anyone other than yourself says is always
nonsense.

I never
insisted on anything.

Smug re-invented and expanded ! For starters, you insisted that the
established guidelines of this group are null and void. Then you insisted
that you will post any way you choose and those who can't read your posts
can upgrade to your standards or leave.

Yes, you need yEnc decoding to see my pictures,

Because you insist.

but you also need a newsreader, and a computer. So even if I didn't
use yEnc, I'd be leaving behind those who lacked that hardware and
software.

In addition to those who don't want to use yEnc.

Perhaps I should just print my pictures and snailmail them
out to all! Otherwise I'm "forcing" them to either buy a computer or
be "left behind."

This is a great idea! Should we send you our mailing addresses?


The notion of "struggle" is also phony.

As is any other opinion that is not in lockstep with yours.

Downloading Agent and
clicking "install" is hardly a struggle.

For most, this is true.

"Struggle" is what I did
this morning after I installed a different firewall and found that I
could not get Windows to load--that took some computer experience,
time, and liberal use of profanity directed at Zone Alarm, Webroot,
and Microsoft.

Then perhaps you can appreciate those who struggle with lesser issues?

There's no struggle in getting yEnc decoding at
all--at least not the way I did it.

Congratulations!

As I've pointed out before, I
knew very little about yEnc until the brouhaha on this group,

Be honest - you brought the brouhaha to the group!

and you
don't need to understand it one bit to use it

And you don't need a college degree to turn it off.

--in fact, it is no more
complicated than the UU encoding one person erroneously referred to as
"basic."

Of course that person's thoughts are erroneous.


About the only thing that can be said for sticking with UU encoding
only is that it was the way things had always been done. I am totally
impatient with that attitude, and I expect that I always will be no
matter how old I live to be. I like new things, I like progress.

Can you really believe that this entire group should adapt to your
impatience and attitudes?


And the idea that such attitudes are the exception in older folks is
just flat-out ageism. Don's claim would provoke laughter at our local
senior center (which is fully computer-equipped).

Gee, the senior centers here are fully equipped with giant checkers and
dominoes. Where are these centers? Are they LAN wired in each room or are
they wi-fi equipped?


I'm giving Don the "straw man creation" prize.

Thanks but I don't believe you are sanctioned to award prizes. I would
offer you one but it appears you are your own best prize.

Noise, why don't you just join this group on its own terms and try to enjoy
the camaraderie? Who knows, you may make some valuable friends, including
myself. I just refuse to stand and salute when you enter the room.

gdp

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt"
wrote:

I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your
age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers.
Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are
insisting we do?

Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind? They can open it or not.
No one is forcing anyone to change their computer, software, or news
reader. If they feel that they are losing out on lots of pictures,
great picture I might add, then they can get a decent news reader
instead of Outlook Depressed, or down-load software that will allow
them to read yenc. It is a no-brainer.

I once had a miserable news reader. I couldn't see anything except
jpg. Then, thankfully, that news reader stopped access to news groups
and I was forced to find another. I chose Giganews and was amazed at
what I was missing.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote:

Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind?

Listen asswipe as I have explained in this very group before......

I CANNOT GET SOFTWARE THAT WILL DECODE YENC ON MY COMPUTER.

It is an older system with no way to upgrade to the point where I can
decode these mythical Yenc files.

Oh boo hoo hoo..... Yah I know poor boy, go out and buy a new computer,
yada yada yada.

No I am not going to buy a new computer just so I can see your pictures.

It was decide long ago that this group would be NON YENC.

Your the one causing the trouble in this group.

If you and your fellow asshole just plain noise as such fans of
aviation that you two misfits decided to join this group and start
posting pictures then why oh why will you not act as responsible adults
with some consideration to the rest of the group and turn YENC off when
posting to this group.

How many times do I have to tell you not everyone is in a position to
decode Yenc.

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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:35:51 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang"
wrote:

Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally
unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an
absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely
done!!


Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news
reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't
even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining
about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not
open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far
as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous
****ing contests don't really help, do they?

Dave



And I hit 60 in a few days. I also challenge the notion that age has
much to do with it, A lot of kids today may use technology that is
unfamiliar to us, uh, advanced middle-aged folk, but their
understanding of the workings of that technology is often limited to
not much more than knowing where the power switch is.